Dake's Annotated Reference Bible

[Yeshua1]

I found a message board, but people are more interested in selling mint condition old 4 column Bibles, than discussing the Bible content and studying it. The grandchildren had the notes retyped and slightly editted and enlarged into a 3 column format.

It is just that I have never heard of a commentary by a Pentecostal spoken of with such hate, and I have seen books written by conservative dispensationalist Pentecostals that are read by Baptists that do not even know the author is Pentecostal. Awhile back, I started a thread discussing that there is sometimes more deeper overlap between Baptist and Assembly of God than there is between Baptist and reformed. The gifts is frosting. Sure it is right there in our faces, but ... underneath that, there is far more that is the same.

For so little to back it up, there is so much hate. And for so few people using the Bible, there are so many sales, even of used copies. This is weird. And I feel that it overlaps with some of the plagiarism and acceptable sources and citation stuff being discussed in other threads.

A busy pastor can take a Dake list and immediately turn it into a quick sermon. If I lay out a Dake and a Bullinger Companion Bible, I often have enough lesson appropriate information in front of me that a sermon could be written with no other resources.

I have learned to pay more attention to what is NOT said if I really want to understand some big truth. All the used Dake Bibles being sold for really high prices is like giant pink elephant turds, and no one admitting that they have a pink elephant, because pink elephants are Pentacostal you know. LOL.

His bible was the foundation for word of faith such as hagin, Copeland, and Hinn, and its theology reflected in his notes were very heretical at times!

 

[Yeshua1]

Reviewed by Christianity Today in 1994:

Scholars Scrutinize Popular Dake’s Bible

• "controversial reference work was written entirely by Finis Dake, who gained notoriety in the 1930s as a flamboyant pastor, convicted of violating the Mann Act in connection with transporting a minor across state lines for immoral purposes. In prison, Dake reportedly began writing his biblical commentary. He died in 1987. But in recent years, the Bible, published by Dake’s descendants in Lawrenceville, Georgia, has come under fire from evangelical, Pentecostal, and African-American leaders who say that some of the author’s more than 35,000 commentary notes, taken from his 1949 book God’s Plan for Man, are racist, heretical, and contradictory."

• "billed as 'the Pentecostal Study Bible', Dake’s has seen an upsurge in popularity in recent years, selling more than 30,000 copies in 1992, perhaps due to its embrace by leading Word-Faith teachers such as Kenneth Copeland, Kenneth Hagin, and Benny Hinn."

• "Dake’s view promoting nine persons in the Trinity is heretical....Dake wrote in a note accompanying John 4:24 that God has bodily parts such as a heart, hands, mouth, and tongue, and he wears clothes, eats, and lives on a planet called Heaven."

• "George Wood, newly appointed general secretary of the Assemblies of God, is quick to distance himself and his church from the Dake’s Bible. 'His opinions are in direct conflict with our statement of fundamental truth'."

• "a bizarre collection of controversial revelations, such as Jonah literally dying inside the whale, the rejection of 'if it be thy will' prayers such as is found in Jesus’ Gethsemane prayer, angels ruling countless planets, resurrected saints giving birth to their own kind in heaven, germs closely allied with demons, the teaching that Adam and Eve flew back and forth from the moon, and Christians being immune from sickness."

• "perhaps Dake’s most divisive precept can be found in notes on Acts 17:26, where he promotes racism—giving '30 reasons for segregation'. He states, in part, that all nations will remain segregated from one another in their own parts of heaven, will not be allowed to worship together, and that God wills all races to be as he made them, each reproducing after his own kind. 'Kind means type and color, or He would have kept them all alike to begin with', Dake writes."

LOL, I have already stumbled on these two, and this is SOOO out of context!

The Jonah thing, at least where I read it, I think maybe in the NT when Jesus was talking about Jonah and coming back in 3 days, I think he said we do not know if Jonah was alive or not, and he said this in the midst of multiple dead people rising from the dead.

Acts 17:26 sends the reader to a LONG article at the back of the Bible that is an exhaustive list of segregated things, many in Leviticus, including segregation of seeds and all sorts of stuff that I had never thought about together. He does this with lists. He groups by topic and makes exhaustive lists. Lists and more lists and even more lists. The guy was probably a bit autistic and liked making lists when he was anxious, and did not look ahead 60 years to know which lists would no longer be PC.

This is all that comes up: articles that are quotes that are clearly out of context embedded in commentary that is untrue. The guy enjoys a little drama and makes over exhaustive lists and likes to flirt with ideas that might be possible. That would be better in a commentary than Bible notes: I agree. But the reviews are worse than anything that he is doing.

I would love to read an article that was being fair, but have not found one yet. Like I said, articles are not comparing his theories with those of other Study Bibles. I do not have access to articles behind the paywalls: is there any responsible information back there where we poor people are forbidden to access?

How about the part whee each member of trinity has 3 persons, so God is p persons, and that Jesus was not God Incarnated, but adopted as such at his Baptism?

 

[Yeshua1]

Not necessarily saying this is what you are doing, but it looks like you have already made up your mind and are just going to reject any negative comment about the work...

This Bible is junk theology as it has far too much word of faith theology in it!

 

[Jerome]

Account of the Dakes' ministry in Hammond, Indiana:

"Mrs. Pauline Dobbins McAfee of Akron, Ohio, a member of the Dake evangelistic party holding meetings at the Hammond Full Gospel Tabernacle, 5547 Sohl street, has just arrived....Mrs. McAfee is said to be one of the best gospel saxophone soloists."

"Mrs. McAfee is a sister of Dorothy Dobbins Dake, who is doing the evangelistic preaching at 8 o’clock each evening. Mrs. Dake and Mrs. McAfee before marriage had their own evangelistic and musical party and traveled as the Dobbins Sisters of Joplin, Mo., in the evangelistic field."

"Bible lectures will be given by Rev. Mr. Dake this week at the Bible study hour, 7:15 to 8:00."

Lake County Times, Aug, 18, 1931, p. 11




and in Pennsylvania:

"...garage was recently purchased by the Saxton Church of God congregation after the arrival of their new pastor Evangelist Dorothy Dake and the Rev. Finis Dake, her husband....The building formerly used as a service garage is now a clean, comfortable and attractive tabernacle"

"Mrs. Dake...has done evangelistic preaching for the past seventeen years....Mr. Dake...designed a large chart picturing the Bible from the beginning of Genesis through Revelation....he will begin lectures in the Saxton Church in the near future at which time this beautifully painted chart will be used."

"The Saxton church, where the Dakes are ministering, is a branch of the Church of God with headquarters in Cleveland, Tenn. The Rev. J. H. Walker is the denomination's general overseer"

Huntingdon Daily News, Dec. 29, 1942, p. 3

 

[kathleenmariekg]

Very comprehensive article here!
www.earntheology.com/dake_bible/

I cannot get this page to load. It might just be me: I have been having trouble with security settings.

 

[rlvaughn]

The "l" got cut off. Try this:
The Dangers Of Finis Dake And The Dake Bible | The Dake Bible

 

[Roy]

Thanks. I was trying to understand the difference in the Assemblies of God liking the Bible, and the Church of God not, and thought that might have been the reason.

BTW, do you mean the Church of God, Cleveland, Tennessee? I thought Finis Dake was a member of and preacher in one of the Churches of God at one time or another.

Thanks.

The Church of God that I was familiar with was the Cleveland, Tn. church. I don't think they had any dislike for the Dake Bible. I just don't recall seeing anyone with a Dake Bible while in their midst. It was just not a popular item there like it was in the Assemblies of God.

Quote: George Antonios
"Um, Dake has some wild stuff, but Jonah dying in the fish is not bizarre at all."

Jonah 1:11—2:2 | Thru the Bible with Dr. J. Vernon McGee

Jonah 2:1-6 | Thru the Bible with Dr. J. Vernon McGee

J. Vernon McGee preached that Jonah died in the fish's belly. He commented that when he gets to heaven and after talking to Jonah, if Jonah says that he lived in the fish's belly, everyone can feel free to come and say "See, we told you so."

 

[George Antonios]

There is no indication from the text that he died.

Every indication in the text is that he died.
Like praying out of hell.
If it be denied that hell is literal there, see #2 in my signature.
We could open a thread about that.

 

[rlvaughn]

The Church of God that I was familiar with was the Cleveland, Tn. church. I don't think they had any dislike for the Dake Bible. I just don't recall seeing anyone with a Dake Bible while in their midst. It was just not a popular item there like it was in the Assemblies of God.

Thanks. That is the group I figured you meant. If I remember correctly Dake was part of this Church of God groups at one time or another. One of the Church of God groups sells this following book, which appears to support the King James Bible (only). I will know soon. The Bible, Authorized King James Version Vindicated (tcogbookstore.com)

Quote: George Antonios
"Um, Dake has some wild stuff, but Jonah dying in the fish is not bizarre at all."

Jonah 1:11—2:2 | Thru the Bible with Dr. J. Vernon McGee

Jonah 2:1-6 | Thru the Bible with Dr. J. Vernon McGee

J. Vernon McGee preached that Jonah died in the fish's belly. He commented that when he gets to heaven and after talking to Jonah, if Jonah says that he lived in the fish's belly, everyone can feel free to come and say "See, we told you so."

I thought the same thing. I have listened to McGee a lot and thought I remembered him saying that. I have seen/heard other respected Bible teachers write/say this also, so that comes off as kind of nit-picking on Dake, whether you agree with that position or not. I have major disagreements with his theology, but I think some of the stuff I've seen written against him (here and linked) gives off the smell of just trying to see how deep one can bury him. I don't have the time or inclination to look further into it, but I suspect much of his language about the Trinity developed in opposition to the "Oneness" theology of some other Pentecostals, and that he did not really deny the Trinity as some have claimed. He does seem to have denied or questioned the standard view of the omniscience of God. I'd say William Lane Craig and his open theism does as well, but a lot of people here seem to like him, perhaps because his statements are dressed up in fancier theological garb?

 

[Ronnie Vaughan]

A lot of the reason Dake became so hated is because he was the Jerry Lee Lewis of Pentecostalism....that is, he got caught taking a teenage girl across the state line and spent time in a hotel with her (at least Jerry married his teenager). Plus he is Word of Faith.

 

[kathleenmariekg]

I am NOT trying to defend Dake or his Bible. I am trying to understand the big picture AROUND all the articles being written about him. And all along, I have been trying to understand the realities about denominations, pastors, seminaries, Christian publishers, and all that stuff, by pestering you all with questions.

When Dake was caught with a 16 year old female in his car, what were the culture expectations for interacting with young women of that age? Many were getting married in churches with the full blessing of everyone? Things were different than today for teenagers? Something about crossing state lines made this more than it would have been if they hadn't of crossed a state line?

I was searching for statistics about famous Christians who have read the Bible through many times, and know the Bible text more than most. I never found what I was looking for, but kept finding stuff about how unhappy pastors are and how often they divorce, suffer from depression, leave the church entirely not just the occupation of pastor, and how often they have an affair with someone in their own congregation.

Statistics on Pastors

• Three hundred fifteen (315 or 30%) said they had either been in an ongoing affair or a one-time sexual encounter with a parishioner.

How does what Dake is accused and sentenced for (he claimed he was innocent?) fit in with the reality of what goes on with pastors then and now?

 

[Ronnie Vaughan]

Ummm he was arrested, he was prosecuted, and he was defrocked. Apparently the culture surrounding the issue was not fond of middle aged men with teenage girls. Were some teenagers getting married? Yes, my grandmother married my grandfather when she was only 14 - but he was only 16!

And I was only answering one of your question; "why was he so hated". Just trying to help a little. Your asking questions above my paygrade

 

[George Antonios]

Thanks. That is the group I figured you meant. If I remember correctly Dake was part of this Church of God groups at one time or another. One of the Church of God groups sells this following book, which appears to support the King James Bible (only). I will know soon. The Bible, Authorized King James Version Vindicated (tcogbookstore.com)
I thought the same thing. I have listened to McGee a lot and thought I remembered him saying that. I have seen/heard other respected Bible teachers write/say this also, so that comes off as kind of nit-picking on Dake, whether you agree with that position or not. I have major disagreements with his theology, but I think some of the stuff I've seen written against him (here and linked) gives off the smell of just trying to see how deep one can bury him. I don't have the time or inclination to look further into it, but I suspect much of his language about the Trinity developed in opposition to the "Oneness" theology of some other Pentecostals, and that he did not really deny the Trinity as some have claimed. He does seem to have denied or questioned the standard view of the omniscience of God. I'd say William Lane Craig and his open theism does as well, but a lot of people here seem to like him, perhaps because his statements are dressed up in fancier theological garb?

What a temperate, gracious post sounds like ^

 

[Ronnie Vaughan]

George I hope your not implying I am being rude. If you are I assure you it is a misreading due to the vehicle of communication. Had you seen my facial expression, read my eyes, and the like; you would have know I'm being jovial.

 

[George Antonios]

George I hope your not implying I am being rude. If you are I assure you it is a misreading due to the vehicle of communication. Had you seen my facial expression, read my eyes, and the like; you would have know I'm being jovial.

Not at all, you weren't in my mind at all. I was comparing @rlvaughn 's post to posts in general, not yours.
Sorry if it came across that way.

 

[Ronnie Vaughan]

Awesome-sauce

 

[Reformed1689]

Every indication in the text is that he died.
Like praying out of hell.
If it be denied that hell is literal there, see #2 in my signature.
We could open a thread about that.

It says Sheol. And David also says Sheol in Psalm 30:3 so are you arguing that David also came back from the dead?

 

[Marooncat79]

I know at one time there were racist statements in it. They may have been eemoved by now. ‍

 

[Ronnie Vaughan]

I know at one time there were racist statements in it. They may have been eemoved by now. ‍

The above statement is true. Frederick Price, the popular black word of faith minister, started preaching against the Dake Annotated Reference Bible a decade or so ago, and complained to a family member whom owned all or part of the rites (I think it may have been Dake's nephew but I'm not sure offhand), and it was eventually edited out.

 

[rlvaughn]

Just noticing there are two different (perhaps competing?) sites for the Dake Reference Bible.
Dake.com
DakeBible.com