Dale Ratzlaff - Seventh-Day Adventist Kryptonite

[thatbrian]

Would a mod please close this thread. No takers.

 

[robycop3]

Well, Bob Ryan, , you COULD address Ratzlaff's points here if you can't get him to come here.

 

[BobRyan]

Well, Bob Ryan, , you COULD address Ratzlaff's points here

Glad to -- Is he posting here??

Or did you want me to look at the wall and "debate a video"???

 

[Yeshua1]

We would be happen if you ever decide to discuss the false teachings of Ellen White!

 

[thatbrian]

We would be happen if you ever decide to discuss the false teachings of Ellen White!

Why would he? If he were after truth he wouldn't be a SDA.

 

[robycop3]

Glad to -- Is he posting here??

Or did you want me to look at the wall and "debate a video"???

When we counter the false teachings of the long-dead EGW, are we "debating a book"?

It's called "Whatcha see is whatcha get!"

 

[robycop3]

Interesting point Utilyan -- notice that he does not actually point to an actual example or post to prove the point of the claim?

hmm... details matter

You could start with the first point about SDA Ratzlaff makes - the FACT that EGW was NOT a prophetess, and her writings are NOT on a par with Scripture. That fact alone makes SDA false.

 

[thatbrian]

It's called "Whatcha see is whatcha get!"[/QUOTE]

Truth, lies and error are all made clear by the light of examination. SDA beliefs are essentially a very complex system of lies. Examination is the last think the SDA wants. Ratzlaff's words bring actual SDA beliefs and practices into the light. No SDA wants that.

 

[BobRyan]

You could start with the first point about SDA Ratzlaff makes - the FACT that EGW was NOT a prophetess, .

That is not a fact -- it is merely a "false accusation" -- and is worthless.

State an actual fact that would need to be addressed

 

[BobRyan]

When we counter the false teachings of the long-dead EGW, are we "debating a book"?

I am here "in person" obviously. (I have to continually state the obvious when on one of ThatBrian's threads). if I could get the Baptists here to make a "sola scriptura" case about doctrine -- I would count myself lucky.

So far all I am getting is "debate my video" and "debate a web site that I found online" nonsense when it comes to the Ten Commandments or 1 Cor 12.

How sad - because Baptists WERE at one time on the "sola scriptura testing" side of the fence with me.

 

[BobRyan]

Well, Bob Ryan, , you COULD address Ratzlaff's points here if you can't get him to come here.

I am trying to count the number of times you signed up to "debate a dumb video" on this thread -

Can't get past the number zero.

 

[robycop3]

I am here "in person" obviously. (I have to continually state the obvious when on one of ThatBrian's threads). if I could get the Baptists here to make a "sola scriptura" case about doctrine -- I would count myself lucky.

So far all I am getting is "debate my video" and "debate a web site that I found online" nonsense when it comes to the Ten Commandments or 1 Cor 12.

How sad - because Baptists WERE at one time on the "sola scriptura testing" side of the fence with me.

Well, obviously, EGW won't be here, either, but ratzlaff is alive & well. Try communicating with him directly, or else respond to his debunking of SDA that's posted here.

QUIT TRYING TO DODGE!

 

[BobRyan]

Would a mod please close this thread. No takers.

true no "video debaters" on Baptist Board - not even among Adventists. The thread serves no purpose

 

[BobRyan]

Well, obviously, EGW won't be here, either, but ratzlaff is alive & well. Try communicating with him directly,

Why? What contribution does he make to the topic aside from the occasional rant?

I prefer talking to a serious Bible student -- vs a "formerly serious" one.

 

[robycop3]

Why? What contribution does he make to the topic aside from the occasional rant?

I prefer talking to a serious Bible student -- vs a "formerly serious" one.

Most debates are about what someone else said, someone who's not in the debate, and often not even still alive, or about a subject or concept that's never been alive.

Fact is, you have no valid argument against the FACTS Ratzlaff presented. If you did, I believe you woulda presented it against those facts.

I have pointed out several of EGW's prophetic flops myself, and against several of her false doctrines.These stand as mute, stark facts about her beliefs, and, since she's dead, they're frozen in time, unchangeable. And you've tried to defend some of them, unsuccessfully.

Since Ratzlaff is alive, perhaps he might see any argument against his facts you might present, but I believe that, deep inside, you KNOW you're gonna lose. isn't it about time for you to give up the false religion and REALLY come to Jesus?

 

[thatbrian]

Most debates are about what someone else said, someone who's not in the debate, and often not even still alive, or about a subject or concept that's never been alive.

Most debate throughout history takes place through the writings of people who've never met. How many, on this board alone, have written posts critiquing what a politician has said? Thinkers from different camps often write books as a means to debate each other, as Luther did with Erasmus. This kind of thing is common and always has been.

Bob's avoidance of ex-SDA pastor Ratzlaff's talks shows that Bob's beliefs are very fragile, and that's a good thing - a very good thing. Bob has come to BB to steal sheep, but his plan may backfire. He may in fact end up becoming one himself.

 

[BobRyan]

Why? What contribution does he make to the topic aside from the occasional rant?

I prefer talking to a serious Bible student -- vs a "formerly serious" one.

it is true we have no "video debaters" on Baptist Board - not even among Adventists. The thread serves no purpose

Most debates are about what someone else said, someone who's not in the debate, and often not even still alive, or about a subject or concept that's never been alive.

And it comes in the form of someone who "is alive" and "posting on this board" who takes some idea that they read about - posts it...claims to believe it... asks for discussion on it.

I think we all knew that.

Still waiting for the "please just debate my video" tiny group to "come around" on that obvious detail.

Fact is, you have no valid argument against the FACTS Ratzlaff presented. If you did, I believe you woulda presented it against those facts.

Totally false. I find Ratlaff to be a has-been shallow Bible student not worth my time to watch.

You -- or someone else here - may find him to be greatly entertaining or even informative perhaps even insightful. If you actually have a doctrinal point to make feel free to do so. But I won't do your job for you especially when it is a source that I have found to be utterly false.

 

[BobRyan]

Most debate throughout history takes place through the writings of people who've never met. How many, on this board alone, have written posts critiquing what a politician has said? Thinkers from different camps often write books as a means to debate each other, as Luther did with Erasmus. This kind of thing is common and always has been.

Bob's avoidance of ex-SDA pastor Ratzlaff's talks shows that Bob's beliefs are very fragile, and that's a good thing - a very good thing. Bob has come to BB to steal sheep, but his plan may backfire. He may in fact end up becoming one himself.

All these "debate-my-video" posts have the same theme "I have not found one single point that I can make after watching my video --- so then you watch my video and debate it"

 

[Yeshua1]

All these "debate-my-video" posts have the same theme "I have not found one single point that I can make after watching my video --- so then you watch my video and debate it"

Were the videos factually right though?

 

[robycop3]

Fact is, Mr. Ryan has no viable argument against Mr. Ratzlaff's TRUTHS.

And WE could say the same about Mr. Ryan's arguments, as he often uses those of a DEAD person, EGW. Glad to see he makes himself look silly by not addressing the facts pointed out in the OP's video.