Dale Ratzlaff - Seventh-Day Adventist Kryptonite

[Yeshua1]

Jude did not say "scripture was only written while mankind did not have faith" -- so then no sense in making stuff up. No way to blame Ellen White for the fact that you have the constant need to "quote yourself" and make pontifical statements rather than quoting a text saying "no more inspiration after I write this last word and send this in the mail"

The scriptures were finished with revelation. remember that part if any add or subtract anything from the scriptures?

 

[Yeshua1]

Lots of former Baptist and Presbyterians among SDAs.

Also among Mormons and JW, so that just proves that some Baptist were never really saved!

 

[BobRyan]

The scriptures were finished with revelation. remember that part if any add or subtract anything from the scriptures?

No author of the OT or NT "adds" to the book of another. Paul was not allowed to "add" or "subtract" from scripture that came before him... That does not mean "no scripture after Paul".

What is more - what you are quoting is talking about the book of Revelation and then John goes on to write the Gospel of John in Ephesus after being freed from Patmos..

Essentially you are using your own extreme inference as your scripture with disastrous results for the Bible writers.

 

[thatbrian]

 

[One Baptism]

I can post videos too, so here is my video response to Dale video, see, and these are far, far better [feel free to send these to poor ol' Dale]:

The School of the Prophets, with bros. Jeremiah Davis and Moses Mason:

Messengers of Light Ministry

Home

 

[thatbrian]

I can post videos too, so here is my video response to Dale video, see, and these are far, far better [feel free to send these to poor ol' Dale]:

The School of the Prophets, with bros. Jeremiah Davis and Moses Mason:

Messengers of Light Ministry

Home

This is my thread. I am the OP. You and your buddy have ben rude and inconsiderate in derailing it and even participating in it while ignoring the OP.

Post all of the videos you wish, but do it in your own thread, or deal with the OP.

Of course you can't even watch the video and address the content of it because you system built on cobwebs would disintegrate immediately.

 

[thatbrian]

Former SDA pastor of 13 years speak about his experiences in the cult and his journey of escape.

He addresses: Three Adventist Doctrines that Compromise the Gospel

Please engage with one, or all three, points covered in the video.

 

[One Baptism]

This is my thread. I am the OP. You and your buddy have ben rude and inconsiderate in derailing it and even participating in it while ignoring the OP.

Post all of the videos you wish, but do it in your own thread, or deal with the OP.

Of course you can't even watch the video and address the content of it because you system built on cobwebs would disintegrate immediately.

No, no I did respond directly to your video. The answers to poor ol' Dale, is in these:

The School of the Prophets, with bros. Jeremiah Davis and Moses Mason:

Messengers of Light Ministry

Home

It is just that there are about 24 videos. You should really consider them ... they have the answers.
Really.

 

[One Baptism]

This is my thread. I am the OP. You and your buddy have ben rude and inconsiderate in derailing it and even participating in it while ignoring the OP.

Post all of the videos you wish, but do it in your own thread, or deal with the OP.

Of course you can't even watch the video and address the content of it because you system built on cobwebs would disintegrate immediately.

I also directly responded to the egregious error you had made [here - Dale Ratzlaff - Seventh-Day Adventist Kryptonite ] about prophets, which of course, received no real response [and we all know why]:

Dale Ratzlaff - Seventh-Day Adventist Kryptonite

Dale Ratzlaff - Seventh-Day Adventist Kryptonite

Dale Ratzlaff - Seventh-Day Adventist Kryptonite

I also responded to another user in this thread, directly [again without their repsonse]:

Dale Ratzlaff - Seventh-Day Adventist Kryptonite

 

[One Baptism]

This is my thread. I am the OP. You and your buddy have ben rude and inconsiderate in derailing it and even participating in it while ignoring the OP.

Post all of the videos you wish, but do it in your own thread, or deal with the OP.

Of course you can't even watch the video and address the content of it because you system built on cobwebs would disintegrate immediately.

I also directly responded to Dale's errors, to him personally, through his own ministry website, and email, as stated to you before, and I have conversed with ex-SDA for over periods of six months or more [they always cut the communications]:

"... I have actually written to Dale Ratzlaff's 'ministry', in rebuttal to the error and misuses of various quotes, etc, among other things, and do you know what they wrote back, even on the Sabbath specifically, and Michael, etc? Nothing. They neither responded to it in their 'magazine', which I have read, and personally laughed at and wept over [its kinda mixed really]. It's a sad joke. They only post and reply to what they would classify as hate/anger mail, and then show their 'audience/readers' how terrible these 'people' are, or they accept the weakest arguments from those who do not know any better, but look to make a showing, and lampoon them. When a real Seventh-day Adventist, who knows their Bible [KJB] and the SoP/ToJ [Spirit of Prophecy/Testimony of Jesus] confront them and reply to their diatribe, they clam up, and say nothing, or make a big bluster and switch the issue, or they go to complain on their own personal closed forums [which you cannot really get into to respond to, unless you prove to them you are ex-SDA, by background check through conference, etc.] Pitiful.

Other persons and readers of their 'magazine ministry' end up at CARM, and self-congratulate themselves of how they escaped, of how they found/'studied' their way out [they don't "Study" their way out, they "Don't Study" their way out ...], and instead of having the Gospel in mind, they spend all their time whining about Seventh-day Adventists [and their religion becomes ex-SDAism, while some become Catholics, JW's, Mormons, Baptists, Muslim [yes even them]], atheists, but their common beef is to simply build themsleves up by tearing down the Seventh-day Adventists and attacking a deceased sister [sister White's person and her life], and that's it, go read them for yourself], or their personal experiences, none of them are wholly consistent together on what they believe after they left and went out from us [some still believe the state of the dead, some still believe Michael as Jesus, some this, and some that, but their agreement is ex-SDAism], but became a personal hategroup, joining one of Matt's own making, who classifies himself as a cult-expert, along with their 'mods'. I also debated him [and their 'mods, on numerous occasions], back when I did that. He personally booted me and banned me from the chat, and blocked my IP, and several 'mods' personally erased whole threads, tampered with specific posts and left no indication that it had been done. No good it did him [he could have banned an entire continent's IP range, wouldn't have mattered], I know ways around the IP block, and other types [sometimes takes awhile, but if it's worth it].

Back to Dale and his group, when I first became a Seventh-day Adventist, about a year or so in, my brother and I, found on his car windshield, in the church parkinglot, a 'magazine' from Dale's 'ministry'. Seems they like to sneak in when no one is looking and target new believers. Which means they were watching my brother and I from inside of the church, knowing what specific car it was we rode in. I looked around. It was on no other verhicles that were left that day after the majority had gone. So what did I do with the 'magazine'? Throw it away, tear it up right there? Ha! No. Are you kidding me? I took that as a personal challenge. I read it on the way home, and had a good laugh, and a sustained sorrow for the error it contained, and yet they believed it to be truth. I kept that mag for a long time, and finally abandoned it to the trash bin, after I wrote a letter by email to them. Did they respond? No. Never. I emailed them on several occasions. I get nothing.

I have watched Dales 'videos', and they are frankly misdirection, and sleight of word definition, and plain error, mixed with pieces of truth here and there. In fact, I sat and went through his anti-sabbath [as I do others, like John MacArthur [I emailed his ministry also, from the very ministry I used to work for until recently, and guess what they wrote back about his two anti-sabbath videos and the material therein? Nothing. I challenged John and his whole team. Crickets.] video with a fellow believer [becasue he asked me to, to respond to it, and to deal with the arguments in it], and I went over it by phone with him, with Bible [KJB] in hand, line upon line. The other believer, then saw the video for what it was worth. Wasted time. Vanity. Willing blindness.

Post all the videos you want, I have more than likely already seen them, and show them for what they are. Pick any part you want, give the time index, and as time allows, I will show by the grace of God, that what seemed substance in their 'presentation' will vanish away like smoke in a hazy dream. I have nothing to fear, for I have prayed to God from the beginning for Truth, and God has answered above and beyond what I had ever thought to receive and continues to do so, overflowing. It's one of my sermons I may be preaching soon. Fearless, based upon 1 John 4:18 KJB, read it carefully, and it applies to Heaven [God who is perfect Love, cast out the Spirit of Fear, Satan, and it applies to the Kingdom within, even the heart], it's going to be awesome because God inspires it.

Most ex-SDA get their core material from the original ex-SDA, D.M. Canright [that's Dudley Marvin]. The problem is, ol' Canright, reneged and came back, and wrote his own rebuttal [and 'its solid], but he left again, and died a tragic death, and you can read about it here - http://www.ellenwhitedefend.com/Defense/Canright.pdf

P.S. I 'hang out' [actively come] here, because I was commanded to by Jesus, you can read about that command in Matthew 28 KJB, etc. I am fishing, just like my Father, Ezekiel 32. ..." - Why Would SDA Members Hang Out on BB?​

... yet you don't seem to actually care about answers, as you have ignored so many direct responses.

 

[thatbrian]

I also directly responded to Dale's errors, to him personally, through his own ministry website, and email, as stated to you before, and I have conversed with ex-SDA for over periods of six months or more [they always cut the communications]:

"... I have actually written to Dale Ratzlaff's 'ministry', in rebuttal to the error and misuses of various quotes, etc, among other things, and do you know what they wrote back, even on the Sabbath specifically, and Michael, etc? Nothing. They neither responded to it in their 'magazine', which I have read, and personally laughed at and wept over [its kinda mixed really]. It's a sad joke. They only post and reply to what they would classify as hate/anger mail, and then show their 'audience/readers' how terrible these 'people' are, or they accept the weakest arguments from those who do not know any better, but look to make a showing, and lampoon them. When a real Seventh-day Adventist, who knows their Bible [KJB] and the SoP/ToJ [Spirit of Prophecy/Testimony of Jesus] confront them and reply to their diatribe, they clam up, and say nothing, or make a big bluster and switch the issue, or they go to complain on their own personal closed forums [which you cannot really get into to respond to, unless you prove to them you are ex-SDA, by background check through conference, etc.] Pitiful.

Other persons and readers of their 'magazine ministry' end up at CARM, and self-congratulate themselves of how they escaped, of how they found/'studied' their way out [they don't "Study" their way out, they "Don't Study" their way out ...], and instead of having the Gospel in mind, they spend all their time whining about Seventh-day Adventists [and their religion becomes ex-SDAism, while some become Catholics, JW's, Mormons, Baptists, Muslim [yes even them]], atheists, but their common beef is to simply build themsleves up by tearing down the Seventh-day Adventists and attacking a deceased sister [sister White's person and her life], and that's it, go read them for yourself], or their personal experiences, none of them are wholly consistent together on what they believe after they left and went out from us [some still believe the state of the dead, some still believe Michael as Jesus, some this, and some that, but their agreement is ex-SDAism], but became a personal hategroup, joining one of Matt's own making, who classifies himself as a cult-expert, along with their 'mods'. I also debated him [and their 'mods, on numerous occasions], back when I did that. He personally booted me and banned me from the chat, and blocked my IP, and several 'mods' personally erased whole threads, tampered with specific posts and left no indication that it had been done. No good it did him [he could have banned an entire continent's IP range, wouldn't have mattered], I know ways around the IP block, and other types [sometimes takes awhile, but if it's worth it].

Back to Dale and his group, when I first became a Seventh-day Adventist, about a year or so in, my brother and I, found on his car windshield, in the church parkinglot, a 'magazine' from Dale's 'ministry'. Seems they like to sneak in when no one is looking and target new believers. Which means they were watching my brother and I from inside of the church, knowing what specific car it was we rode in. I looked around. It was on no other verhicles that were left that day after the majority had gone. So what did I do with the 'magazine'? Throw it away, tear it up right there? Ha! No. Are you kidding me? I took that as a personal challenge. I read it on the way home, and had a good laugh, and a sustained sorrow for the error it contained, and yet they believed it to be truth. I kept that mag for a long time, and finally abandoned it to the trash bin, after I wrote a letter by email to them. Did they respond? No. Never. I emailed them on several occasions. I get nothing.

I have watched Dales 'videos', and they are frankly misdirection, and sleight of word definition, and plain error, mixed with pieces of truth here and there. In fact, I sat and went through his anti-sabbath [as I do others, like John MacArthur [I emailed his ministry also, from the very ministry I used to work for until recently, and guess what they wrote back about his two anti-sabbath videos and the material therein? Nothing. I challenged John and his whole team. Crickets.] video with a fellow believer [becasue he asked me to, to respond to it, and to deal with the arguments in it], and I went over it by phone with him, with Bible [KJB] in hand, line upon line. The other believer, then saw the video for what it was worth. Wasted time. Vanity. Willing blindness.

Post all the videos you want, I have more than likely already seen them, and show them for what they are. Pick any part you want, give the time index, and as time allows, I will show by the grace of God, that what seemed substance in their 'presentation' will vanish away like smoke in a hazy dream. I have nothing to fear, for I have prayed to God from the beginning for Truth, and God has answered above and beyond what I had ever thought to receive and continues to do so, overflowing. It's one of my sermons I may be preaching soon. Fearless, based upon 1 John 4:18 KJB, read it carefully, and it applies to Heaven [God who is perfect Love, cast out the Spirit of Fear, Satan, and it applies to the Kingdom within, even the heart], it's going to be awesome because God inspires it.

Most ex-SDA get their core material from the original ex-SDA, D.M. Canright [that's Dudley Marvin]. The problem is, ol' Canright, reneged and came back, and wrote his own rebuttal [and 'its solid], but he left again, and died a tragic death, and you can read about it here - http://www.ellenwhitedefend.com/Defense/Canright.pdf

P.S. I 'hang out' [actively come] here, because I was commanded to by Jesus, you can read about that command in Matthew 28 KJB, etc. I am fishing, just like my Father, Ezekiel 32. ..." - Why Would SDA Members Hang Out on BB?​

... yet you don't seem to actually care about answers, as you have ignored so many direct responses.

You have not directly addressed the 3 points in the video in this thread, and that is the point. Do that or be gone, please. Stick you head in the sand to ensure the darkness you so love remains.

 

[One Baptism]

You have not directly addressed the 3 points in the video in this thread, and that is the point. Do that or be gone, please. Stick you head in the sand to ensure the darkness you so love remains.

Sure, the points are directly responded to in the videos I posted, won't you watch them to see that?

 

[BobRyan]

Video drones... easy to spot. Watch for it.

May have the tagline -- "please debate my video -- I have no idea what point it actually makes - but could you please watch it for me and debate the video. Something I would never do ... but maybe I can get someone else to do it"

 

[BobRyan]

You have not directly addressed the 3 points in the video in this thread, .

no one even knows what those points are - since even you don't appear willing to watch your own video then post whatever point you think it makes.

If even you have such little interest in your own video - why should we engage in nonsensical "debate my video"??

Just stating the obvious

 

[thatbrian]

 

[BobRyan]

Video drones... easy to spot. Watch for it.

May have the tagline -- "please debate my video -- I have no idea what point it actually makes - but could you please watch it for me and debate the video. Something I would never do ... but maybe I can get someone else to do it"

=================================

Since After all - we need to get this thread to its 9 pages... And this appears to be how ThatBrian wants it done

 

[thatbrian]

 

[One Baptism]

Have you considered the responses to the points in poor ol' Dale's in the videos I responded with yet? Here is some more detail on those answers, if you are really interested in the answers:

The School of the Prophets, with bros. Jeremiah Davis and Moses Mason:

 

[BobRyan]

I also directly responded to the egregious error you had made [here - Dale Ratzlaff - Seventh-Day Adventist Kryptonite ] about prophets, which of course, received no real response [and we all know why]:

Dale Ratzlaff - Seventh-Day Adventist Kryptonite

Dale Ratzlaff - Seventh-Day Adventist Kryptonite

Dale Ratzlaff - Seventh-Day Adventist Kryptonite

I also responded to another user in this thread, directly [again without their repsonse]:

Dale Ratzlaff - Seventh-Day Adventist Kryptonite

That's the problem with responding when they don't even have the incentive to watch their own video and identify an actual point that it makes.

 

[thatbrian]