Dating a charismatic

[evangelist6589]

I realize you have decided I am your enemy, but I want to point out something that I see from what you tell us about your life:

You have very strong convictions until a woman is involved. Then it seems that all bets are off and you lose every conviction you have previously claimed to justify whatever relationship you want to enter into or want to get out of.

The scriptures show us this tremendous weakness of men, over and over, to think with their urges and not with their minds.

Women are not inherently tempters, but men should not compromise who they are just to be with them. You are making yourself a fraud before God, the woman, and the world when you cast aside what you have claimed to be the essence and character of your faith.

At the same time, I would be delighted if you changed some of your theology, thinking and attitudes, so I am not against you rethinking the big issues, but don't do that in the context of trying to get together with a woman. If it even "works", both of you will be unhappy and you with have betrayed your testimony.

I would recommend you conduct yourself by not moving forward. evangelist6589, I don't know you or your personal situation, but from some things you and others have posted here, you have a wife from who you are divorced and that you are both professing Christians. Is that correct? If so, the Bible teaching from I Corinthians 7:10-11 is to remain unmarried in hopes of reconciliation.

She has refused to reconcile and does not respond to any of my messages. Nothing I can do about that.

 

[evangelist6589]

Why is it the only one who has any sense in this thread is the one that usually misspells words?

 

[evangelist6589]

I realize you have decided I am your enemy, but I want to point out something that I see from what you tell us about your life:

You have very strong convictions until a woman is involved. Then it seems that all bets are off and you lose every conviction you have previously claimed to justify whatever relationship you want to enter into or want to get out of.

The scriptures show us this tremendous weakness of men, over and over, to think with their urges and not with their minds.

Women are not inherently tempters, but men should not compromise who they are just to be with them. You are making yourself a fraud before God, the woman, and the world when you cast aside what you have claimed to be the essence and character of your faith.

At the same time, I would be delighted if you changed some of your theology, thinking and attitudes, so I am not against you rethinking the big issues, but don't do that in the context of trying to get together with a woman. If it even "works", both of you will be unhappy and you with have betrayed your testimony.

Wrong. I am not compromising any of my convictions. My convictions are in essentials unity, secondary things liberty, and in all things charity. Now if I were to get married again I would be wiser the next time about being the spiritual leader in the home and would not follow the woman to her church, unless I thought the church was good. She need to follow me to my church.

 

[TCassidy]

I am not compromising any of my convictions.

You claim to believe the bible but you are willing to violate I Corinthians 7:10-11.

1 Corinthians 7:10 But to the married I command—not I, but the Lord—that the wife not leave her husband
11 (but if she departs, let her remain unmarried, or else be reconciled to her husband), and that the husband not leave his wife.

 

[rlvaughn]

She has refused to reconcile and does not respond to any of my messages. Nothing I can do about that.

This can take time. Once either of you remarry, you (either of you) are deliberately and finally closing the door to reconciliation. Here are the ways it is stated in 3 versions (which is true when you reverse husband and wife, as well).

1 Corinthians 7

10 And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: 11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife. KJV

10 But to the married I command -- not I, but the Lord -- that the wife not leave her husband 11 (but if she departs, let her remain unmarried, or else be reconciled to her husband), and that the husband not leave his wife. WEB

10 To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. 11 But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife. NIV

 

[Jerome]

Remember when you were warning that the Charismatic movement was a breeding ground and safe haven for false converts?

The biggest threats to Biblical Christianity in 2014

I say the top 3 are.

1. The Charismatic Movement...

 

[SovereignGrace]

Not yet but I have been chatting with this woman and I had some thoughts on her being a charismatic based on some things she has said and my suspicions were confirmed by a YouTube video she sent me. I am not against contemporary praise worship. However I am against Arminianism and woman preachers, tongues, the sign gifts, etc.. I think she is a charismatic rather than a Pentecostal unlike another gal I chatted with last year.

If things were to move forward how would I conduct myself? I have a charismatic background but I turned Calvinist after that. Some of my favorite authors are Charismatic like John Piper, and Francis Chan. I think I should just focus on the essentials of the faith and avoid secondary debates. Speaking in tongues and the sign gifts is not heresy. Woman preachers are bad news however and I won't tolerate a woman pastor.

Boy oh boy.....

Why punish yourself again?

 

[Yeshua1]

You have spoken out against charismatics in the past (and strongly so). Given the difficulty that your wife's fundamentalist views have caused you I'd suggest that you exercise discernment and caution.

I remember you speaking of the Christian duty to “battle the Charismatics”. You even said that this battle will cause others to accuse you of being “unloving, divisive, combative, argumentative, [and] cultic.” You challenged us to engage in this war against Charismatics because many souls were at stake, stating “if you want to help me engage the war on the Charismatics you will need a weapon” and offered a GraceToYou link.

My concern is that you will abandon your faith for a woman and then struggle to change her towards your views. I worry that this will have the same result that it had with your wife.


The War on the Charismatic Movement

The Lord is able to bring different theologies together and make it work, as Billy Graham was SBC, and Rutha stauch Presbyterian, but anyone really intoi Charasmatic theology would not seek to yoke with someone not "into the Baptism of the HG"

 

[Baptist Believer]

A critic can never see anything positive in me!

That's blatantly untrue, but you have blinded yourself against anyone who tells you something you don't like.

You can be a great man of God, but not like this.

 

[evangelist6589]

This can take time. Once either of you remarry, you (either of you) are deliberately and finally closing the door to reconciliation. Here are the ways it is stated in 3 versions (which is true when you reverse husband and wife, as well).

1 Corinthians 7

Lets face it she is not going to reconcile! I have sent her many messages and done all that I can. She is not going to reconcile!

 

[evangelist6589]

The Lord is able to bring different theologies together and make it work, as Billy Graham was SBC, and Rutha stauch Presbyterian, but anyone really intoi Charasmatic theology would not seek to yoke with someone not "into the Baptism of the HG"

I do not know what type of a Charismatic she is. Perhaps she may be light more like Ray Comfort or John Piper.

 

[JonC]

The Lord is able to bring different theologies together and make it work, as Billy Graham was SBC, and Rutha stauch Presbyterian, but anyone really intoi Charasmatic theology would not seek to yoke with someone not "into the Baptism of the HG"

Different but accommodating views, yes. But not when one partner rejects the others belief as a false gospel damning souls to Hell (which is the position taken by Evan in his "war on the Charismatics"). This, coupled with the fact Evan is independent of his wife only in the eyes of the secular government, is problematic.

There is a pattern here. When a desire is present his theology shifts. This happened with drinking. Then with divorce. Then with dating. I suspect it will happen with charismatic theology now.

 

[TCassidy]

11 (but if she departs, let her remain unmarried, or else be reconciled to her husband), and that the husband not leave his wife.

 

[rlvaughn]

Lets face it she is not going to reconcile! I have sent her many messages and done all that I can. She is not going to reconcile!

That may be true; I don't know either of you or what the future holds. All I can say is that you are responsible to God for your half of the biblical possibility of reconciliation and not hers. At the point you remarry you forever cut off that possibility.

 

[Yeshua1]

My critics always have something to criticize me for!

We are speaking to you in the love of Christ, as you would do very well to heed godly wisdom and council, and do not doom yourself to repeat another unbiblcal situation...

IF you thought arminian theology bugged you and made you unable to maintain your vows, what when she or one of her friends doa tongue or prophesy over you?

 

[Yeshua1]

Lets face it she is not going to reconcile! I have sent her many messages and done all that I can. She is not going to reconcile!

Per the scriptures then, you would be freed up to remarry when she passed away then, only, correct?

 

[Yeshua1]

Different but accommodating views, yes. But not when one partner rejects the others belief as a false gospel damning souls to Hell (which is the position taken by Evan in his "war on the Charismatics"). This, coupled with the fact Evan is independent of his wife only in the eyes of the secular government, is problematic.

There is a pattern here. When a desire is present his theology shifts. This happened with drinking. Then with divorce. Then with dating. I suspect it will happen with charismatic theology now.

He mentions a John Piper, or could throw in Dr Grudem here, but most ofd those in Charasmatic churches would be more into the benny Hinn, and doubt very much he would be able to get into that!

 

[annsni]

A critic can never see anything positive in me!

Listen - You have a lot of positive traits but this is not one of them. You NEED to realize that compromise in your last relationship led to sin and divorce. Don't repeat the same mistake.

 

[evangelist6589]

He mentions a John Piper, or could throw in Dr Grudem here, but most ofd those in Charasmatic churches would be more into the benny Hinn, and doubt very much he would be able to get into that!

I would not. You see I do not know what type of charismatic this gal is. That still remains to be seen.

 

[evangelist6589]

Per the scriptures then, you would be freed up to remarry when she passed away then, only, correct?

I do not know. But she has cancer. I do not know the extent of it. Hope she gets better but no question she does not want to reconcile.