Dave Hunt

[DrJamesAch]

You claiming Hunt is shallow is the best endorsement anyone could ask for. Thank you!

What he really means is that since Dave Hunt wrote a book on Calvinism he is shallow, uninformed, misquotes, has lousy documentation, etc..

None of these accusations were made against Hunt UNTIL he put out articles answering questions about Calvinism. In fact, there were many Calvinists that sited his works on Cults and Catholicism prior to his book "What Love Is This" without ever disparaging his credentials or his scholarship.

But in true Calvinist fashion, the habit is to lynch those whom dare oppose Calvinism.

If you notice, more Calvinists have commented on his book on Calvinism than they have on his books on prophecy ("A Woman Rides the Beast" for example) even though his eschatology is at odds with the majority of Calvinist camps. But because Hunt never directly opposed Calvinism by name, it didn't attract the attention of Calvinists. But when he put out a book that crushes Calvinism, the gallows were prepared and the stakes and brushes assembled, and an APB issued for all who dare admit to having read this book, What Love Is This?

 

[preacher4truth]

I second the fact that Hunt was shallow. I also think he was a nice man. I met him at a minister's conference years ago (I was the only non-minister there). I bought a bunch of his books back in the day as the expression goes.

There is a world of difference between Hunt and D-M-L-J. The later was certainly not boring. He (and I will put it in the present tense) is challenging and spiritually stimulating.

Would to God these would actually listen to MLJ. But I expect the same old same old that they 'have'.

MLJ was and is a tremendous man of God. www.mljtrust.org.

 

[Dennis324]

I didn't know Dave Hunt died. I didn't always agree with each and every little thing he said (Billy Graham is probably the only one I do agree with 100 %), but I did enjoy some of his work. Interesting books, especially on Cults.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

You claiming Hunt is shallow is the best endorsement anyone could ask for. Thank you!

Funny, some would say that your endorsement of him is the best refutation anyone could ask for.

 

[preacher4truth]

Funny, some would say that your endorsement of him is the best refutation anyone could ask for.

Sadly I agree with you.

 

[Yeshua1]

What he really means is that since Dave Hunt wrote a book on Calvinism he is shallow, uninformed, misquotes, has lousy documentation, etc..

None of these accusations were made against Hunt UNTIL he put out articles answering questions about Calvinism. In fact, there were many Calvinists that sited his works on Cults and Catholicism prior to his book "What Love Is This" without ever disparaging his credentials or his scholarship.

But in true Calvinist fashion, the habit is to lynch those whom dare oppose Calvinism.

If you notice, more Calvinists have commented on his book on Calvinism than they have on his books on prophecy ("A Woman Rides the Beast" for example) even though his eschatology is at odds with the majority of Calvinist camps. But because Hunt never directly opposed Calvinism by name, it didn't attract the attention of Calvinists. But when he put out a book that crushes Calvinism, the gallows were prepared and the stakes and brushes assembled, and an APB issued for all who dare admit to having read this book, What Love Is This?

NOT saying that dave hunt was not a good author is some areas, especially in his books on prophecy and new Age cults within Christianity, just that he was less than in theology as regards to Sotierology, thats all!

 

[DrJamesAch]

MLJ was probably one of the WORST Calvinist "theologians" particularly his position on continuationism (although some have erroneously attempted to refute that claim).

Packer quotes MLJ as follows: "...read these books and you will find this gift of prophecy that was given to men to see the future, the power of speech that was given to them, and the occasional miracle. Anyone prepared to say that all this ended with the apostolic age, and that there has never been a miracle since the apostles in making are most daring statement. Not only is there nothing in the Scripture to say that all these miraculous gifts had to end with the apostolic age; the subsequent history of the church, it seems to me, gives the lie to this very contention.""The Sovereign Spirit: Discerning His Gifts" (Forward by J.I. Packer)

MLJ is a frequent go-to author by charismatics to prove that tongues and prophesying is still NT practice.

 

[agedman]

MLJ was probably one of the WORST Calvinist "theologians" particularly his position on continuationism (although some have erroneously attempted to refute that claim).

Packer quotes MLJ as follows: "...read these books and you will find this gift of prophecy that was given to men to see the future, the power of speech that was given to them, and the occasional miracle. Anyone prepared to say that all this ended with the apostolic age, and that there has never been a miracle since the apostles in making are most daring statement. Not only is there nothing in the Scripture to say that all these miraculous gifts had to end with the apostolic age; the subsequent history of the church, it seems to me, gives the lie to this very contention.""The Sovereign Spirit: Discerning His Gifts" (Forward by J.I. Packer)

MLJ is a frequent go-to author by charismatics to prove that tongues and prophesying is still NT practice.

Frankly, in this statement I can agree with MLJ.

It is quite daring to state fanatically that "the occasional miracle" does not take place.

I personally am an example: There is no way other than a miracle from God that my wife would have even looked my direction when I first courted her.



I do NOT believe that in general those things listed are in use, today, and neither do I hold that they are some sign of blessing as some would in the charismatic world. These things are not to be sought after, nor are they in any manner evidence of being "filled with the Spirit of God."

However, I have personally known missionaries who were confronted with very unusual situations in which both miracle and the gift of communication was given to them. They spoke in English but the hostile people heard it in their own language. Because of that miracle, the gospel was preached and souls were saved. Did such continue as a practice in their lives? nope - it was a one time occurrence and specific to the needs of that moment.

Packer and I would agree that God can do what He wills and His Word will not return void.

 

[beameup]

I understand that his book, What Love Is This, is an excellent refutation of Calvinism.

I watched his presentation of the refutation of Calvinism on YouTube.
Outstanding!

 

[Robert Snow]

Yes! As one of his birds you will flock together to his shallowness. Fitting.

To date I've not witnessed neither you or those of your ilk offer one thing theologically substantial.

As a matter of fact you've offered nothing even theological. Drivel? Oft. Exegetical? Never.

You read what you want, and I will read what I want. I really don't care at all what you think about anything I say, believe or do.

 

[Robert Snow]

Would to God these would actually listen to MLJ. But I expect the same old same old that they 'have'.

MLJ was and is a tremendous man of God. www.mljtrust.org.

Was he Larry, Curly or Moe?

 

[Steadfast Fred]

You can believe anything on the internet. They wouldn't put it on the internet if it wasn't true.

Here comes my girlfriend. I met her on the internet. She's a French model. ROFL

 

[evangelist6589]

Really? That's odd. It's always been my understanding that he was known for being able to communicate complex doctrinal and theological ideas into everyday language for those who weren't necessarily theologians.

The very deep part, I agree with, but hardly boring.

Maybe I need to check him out again.

 

[evangelist6589]

Would suggest JI Packer Knowing God as a good primer!

Its in my pile of books to read. I have chosen Desiring God over that one to read next. A mistake? Not sure...

 

[evangelist6589]

I see nothing boring with MLJ. If you read as much as you say you do, your attention span can stay in tune with him. He's not nearly boring.

How is he so deep if he is so boring? I listen to his sermons weekly, and for his 40 some minute average I never lose interest.

I need to give his book a shot. I just remember him from a sermon in seminary. I guess I cant make judgments that quickly.

 

[Yeshua1]

Frankly, in this statement I can agree with MLJ.

It is quite daring to state fanatically that "the occasional miracle" does not take place.

I personally am an example: There is no way other than a miracle from God that my wife would have even looked my direction when I first courted her.



I do NOT believe that in general those things listed are in use, today, and neither do I hold that they are some sign of blessing as some would in the charismatic world. These things are not to be sought after, nor are they in any manner evidence of being "filled with the Spirit of God."

However, I have personally known missionaries who were confronted with very unusual situations in which both miracle and the gift of communication was given to them. They spoke in English but the hostile people heard it in their own language. Because of that miracle, the gospel was preached and souls were saved. Did such continue as a practice in their lives? nope - it was a one time occurrence and specific to the needs of that moment.

Packer and I would agree that God can do what He wills and His Word will not return void.

those are few and far between, special exemptions, but the truth os that neither the office of prophet, nor prophesy aspracticed in book of Acts happening today!

 

[Rippon]

MLJ was probably one of the WORST Calvinist "theologians" particularly his position on continuationism (although some have erroneously attempted to refute that claim).

One of the worst Calvinist theologians huh? Aside from your 'in particular', what makes him one of the worst overall in your estimation?

 

[preacher4truth]

I need to give his book a shot. I just remember him from a sermon in seminary. I guess I cant make judgments that quickly.

This would be a wise decision.

 

[preacher4truth]

One of the worst Calvinist theologians huh? Aside from your 'in particular', what makes him one of the worst overall in your estimation?

As is typical jim atch quotes MLJ out of context. He has to in order to shine a light on his own errant theology.

I'm not sure who is worse, jatch or winman, both can twist Scripture and quotes into error instantly.

Here's the real story on MLJ and the jatch quote:

http://thecripplegate.com/martyn-lloyd-jones-on-the-gift-of-prophecy/

 

[DrJamesAch]

As is typical jim atch quotes MLJ out of context. He has to in order to shine a light on his own errant theology.

I'm not sure who is worse, jatch or winman, both can twist Scripture and quotes into error instantly.

Here's the real story on MLJ and the jatch quote:

http://thecripplegate.com/martyn-lloyd-jones-on-the-gift-of-prophecy/

And as usual, the MLJ defenders go the same go-to quote that has nothing to do with all the other statements that MLJ made elsewhere that he clearly supported the charismatic interpretation of continuationism.

By the way, I never did get an answer about how many slaves Jonathon Edwards owned! Did he buy them from the Freemason Calvinist churches in Afrika!