Dead Man's Choice?

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I hate that queer song! The RC Nuns attempted to make me sing it in Catholic School and I refused. I still consider that entire process as indoctrination into a cult… it included Physical abuse, brain washing and mental abuse, humiliation etc… and that song shows the RC hypocrisy of the whole damn process.

Remember “Danial rode the boat ashore”… just want to make sure it all wasn’t a bad dream, folk masses and all! OMG.

 

[KenH]

So by your own words you have made God the only real sinner

Nope. God cannot be judged by His creatures. God is sovereign. Man is responsible.

 

[KenH]

Remember “Danial rode the boat ashore”

You mean "Michael, Row The Boat Ashore"?

 

[Silverhair]

Nope. God cannot be judged by His creatures. God is sovereign. Man is responsible.

We are not judging God. God has set the standard and you say He does not have any standard. Think through what you just said @KenH. If whatever God does is right then how do you have any trust in what the bible says or for that matter whether He will save you. Remember He can throw you into hell just because He wants to. Your god has no moral compass.

 

[JD731]

...mine was also.



Of course we disagree, and we always will. I'm not going to change, and neither are you. Argument is futile (unless one just likes to argue for argument's sake which many do, I don't).

As far as your 'objections', they're all rooted in the same old humanistic reasonings of today's anti-Cals that Paul answered in Romans:

"Is there unrighteousness with God?"

"Why doth he still find fault?"



29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions. Ecc 7

I know you well enough now by your commentary over a long time to understand what you believe. It is what you don't believe that troubles me and I believe drives you to your very serious error. However, I am sure you have your own free will and can believe or not believe what you want and I am your strongest proponent for that eventuality. A man convinced against his will___________________________(finish the line).

 

[KenH]

If whatever God does is right then how do you have any trust in what the bible says or for that matter whether He will save you.

A hymn written by Joseph Irons in Zion's Hymns. (in common meter)

"Divine Sovereignty"

1. Who shall dispute Jehovah's right
To universal sway?
Sure all His children must delight
Their Father's will t' obey!

2. Rejoice my soul, thy Father reigns;
Heav'n, earth, and hell shall know
That what His sov'reign will ordains,
No pow'r can overthrow.

3. All worlds obey my Father's nod,
And His decrees fulfil;
The arm of Israel's cov'nant God,
Performs His sov'reign will.

4. Then all is well, tho' man complains,
Through ignorance and pride;
Since God my Father ever reigns,
I'll in His love confide.

 

[Silverhair]

A hymn written by Joseph Irons in Zion's Hymns. (in common meter)

"Divine Sovereignty"

1. Who shall dispute Jehovah's right
To universal sway?
Sure all His children must delight
Their Father's will t' obey!

2. Rejoice my soul, thy Father reigns;
Heav'n, earth, and hell shall know
That what His sov'reign will ordains,
No pow'r can overthrow.

3. All worlds obey my Father's nod,
And His decrees fulfil;
The arm of Israel's cov'nant God,
Performs His sov'reign will.

4. Then all is well, tho' man complains,
Through ignorance and pride;
Since God my Father ever reigns,
I'll in His love confide.

Denying the reality of your position does not change it. You have made God the only sinner and the agent of all evil. As a Hyper Calvinist you should be ashamed of yourself. You slander God by impugning His character.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

You mean "Michael, Row The Boat Ashore"?

I want to forget that even existed.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Here is an outline of what we PBs believe.

https://www.iowaprimitivebaptist.org/docs/Ten Reasons Primitive Baptists Are Not Calvinists.htm

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Denying the reality of your position does not change it. You have made God the only sinner and the agent of all evil. As a Hyper Calvinist you should be ashamed of yourself. You slander God by impugning His character.

Since reading Ken’s testimony on his own Hyper Calvinist beliefs, I’ve been reading & studying the demise of my own brand of church, the Primitive Baptists in the Ny/ NJ area. Setting aside secularization crisis, which has become rampant since the 1960’s they have pointed out many P B churches up here deterated because of what they call The Absoluter (Hyper Calvinism) introductions that happened much more turn of the century. This split full church communities.

If you ask me, there is nothing more unloving than to take a church that was living together in peace and unity and to split it into sawdust by foisting “reformed theology” upon it. In the interest of change, families have been torn asunder, churches have been divided, and friends have been separated. Thank God, for me at least, I can communicate with my church in other parts of the country using the internet, Facebook, the phone etc….without it I’d be lost. And my church brethren have been most supportive and encouraging.

 

[KenH]

you should be ashamed of yourself

Oh, there is lots and lots that I am ashamed of in this vile body of mine. However, I am not ashamed of the gospel of Jesus Christ my Lord.

Romans 1:16-17 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

 

[KenH]

Those who opposed the all-sovereign, all-wise, all righteous God revealed in God's Word, the Bible, remind me of these folks, whose attitude was expressed thusly:

Luke 19:14 We will not have this man to reign over us.

 

[Silverhair]

Oh, there is lots and lots that I am ashamed of in this vile body of mine. However, I am not ashamed of the gospel of Jesus Christ my Lord.

Romans 1:16-17 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

You post the words but your other posts would call that into question. The bible is not a book of one liners that you cherry pick to support your views. That is the means that cults you to dupe the easily lead.

 

[KenH]

The bible is not a book of one liners that you cherry pick to support your views.

I totally agree with that statement.

 

[Silverhair]

I totally agree with that statement.

Then why do you do it?

 

[KenH]

Then why do you do it?

I do not.

 

[kyredneck]

A man convinced against his will_____________

"Who wrote, A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still"?"

The phrase as it is written here appears in the section, "You Can't Win an Argument," in Dale Carnegie's popular book, How to Win Friends and Influence People."

Argument is futile

 

[Silverhair]

I do not.

Read post # 41 What did you do there but post cherry picked verses out of context to support your view.

 

[KenH]

Read post # 41 What did you do there but post cherry picked verses out of context to support your view.

I don't think that it would go over well with the moderators on this board if in thread #41 I had posted the entire Bible from Genesis 1:1 through Revelation 22:21. That would have been a really, really, really, really, really, really long post.

 

[KenH]

"A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still"

If one can be argued into accepting a set of beliefs, then someone else can argue him out of accepting those beliefs.

Thus, those whom God saves are not argued into having repentance toward God and faith toward Christ, but God makes them willing to do so:

Psalms 110:3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, In the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: Thou hast the dew of thy youth.