Sure, dude, but who are His children?
Oh yes, everyone who says they are.
Got it ... thanks.
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Deadly free-will choices from the Garden until right now
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Oh yes, everyone who says they are.
Got it ... thanks.
Sure, you think you know who the real Christians are.
But, only God know who His elect (chosen ones) are!
Some so-called "believers" think they are A-OK on their way to heaven,
whilst habitually sinning down that famous narrow path.
Some of these deceived people are habitually lying.
The Lord had me preach once to a church of 500
on the topic of "God says lying is an abomination!"
Problem was ... this country has lying as part of their culture!
Yes, forsake everything (even your country's culture)
for the sake of Jesus ... and obey Him.
And you insist that real Christians don't lie.
Ephesians 1:5 gives you the answer and it is not what you claim.
"He predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will."
ALL of them who now have the Holy Spirit, as He is now seald forever in them!
Some of those who know everything feel that's not necessary.
We don't lie in the sense of that is our nature to lie....
Dow e stll lie, yes, do welie al of the time, no!
That is not my excuse, fat fingers is!
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Sure I can...it doesn't deny Roman 5:18, it just states that you receive this truth by faith.
It qualifies your "all" and removes your universalism, thus destroying your free-will argument.
Its a easy simple flaw in the Calvinist design to ignore God's command in favor of a license to sin.
What God Commands he clearly desires and wants. God commands all to love God. God commands all to love neighbor. God Commands and wants all too accept Jesus as Lord and savior.
In fact what makes sin a sin is the disobedience refusal of this command, there is no rebellion if you were never part of it to begin with, there is no fall if you start at the bottom.
When God commands that is a official decree stating his very desire.
God is not evil, causes none to sin, and provides the ability to always act in obedience. If God did not provide the ability of obedience then he never would have declared his desire and command in the first place.
James 1
13Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone.
1 Corinthians 10
13No temptation has overtaken you but such as is common to man; and God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will provide the way of escape also, so that you will be able to endure it.
Even ATHIEST are commanded by God with full capability and NO EXCUSE and follow a similar flaw of Calvinism.
Romans 1
18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. 20For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. 21For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.
GOD made it EVIDENT to THEM. They can even know God and DENY HIM.
They say of themselves just like Calvinist we don't have the good image of God, you hear it all the time "we are only human" We are just like birds and animals and crawling creatures. Nothing about us is good. License to sin.
What God Commands he clearly desires and wants. God commands all to love God. God commands all to love neighbor. God Commands and wants all too accept Jesus as Lord and savior.
In fact what makes sin a sin is the disobedience refusal of this command, there is no rebellion if you were never part of it to begin with, there is no fall if you start at the bottom.
When God commands that is a official decree stating his very desire.
God is not evil, causes none to sin, and provides the ability to always act in obedience. If God did not provide the ability of obedience then he never would have declared his desire and command in the first place.
James 1
13Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone.
1 Corinthians 10
13No temptation has overtaken you but such as is common to man; and God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will provide the way of escape also, so that you will be able to endure it.
Even ATHIEST are commanded by God with full capability and NO EXCUSE and follow a similar flaw of Calvinism.
Romans 1
18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. 20For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. 21For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.
GOD made it EVIDENT to THEM. They can even know God and DENY HIM.
They say of themselves just like Calvinist we don't have the good image of God, you hear it all the time "we are only human" We are just like birds and animals and crawling creatures. Nothing about us is good. License to sin.
AndThisGospel
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Rom 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come."
No qualifier on Paul's "all men" in verse 18 in the above verse...
Let's look at Rom 5:19 "For as through the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous."
You are taking "the many" to mean not all, right?
If that's the case then not all men were made sinners. That would suggest some are naturally righteous, but Paul states "there is none righteous, no, not even one." Rom 3:10
Rom 5:15...."For if by the transgression of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abound to the many."
How many is "the many"? Look at Rom 5:12
"Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned."
"The many" = "all men". Why? Because "the many" died. And Paul tells us how many men died: "All men" because "all sinned".
AndThisGospel
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Because "all men" sinned in Adam and because we didn't have a choice is being condemned, Christ has legally reversed our condemnation "in Adam" to "justification of life" "in Christ". That's Roman 5:18
According to Romans 5:17 it is "those who receive the abundance of grace" who will "reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ".
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