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JohnDeereFan

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Sixteenth Amendment. Bring yourself up to speed.

Actually, all the 16th Amendment does is give Congress the power to collect taxes on income without apportioning it among the states. It doesn't say a word about regulating alcohol.
 

Iconoclast

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Warning! The product you have recently zealously legalized for recreational use contains chemicals known to the State of Common Sense to have harmful and dangerous effects on the human mind and body.
Hello Benjamin,

How have you been? Everything unfolding well for you in the providence of God?
 

Reynolds

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Actually, all the 16th Amendment does is give Congress the power to collect taxes on income without apportioning it among the states. It doesn't say a word about regulating alcohol.
Alcohol tax predated 16th. 16th left no question to Congress right to collect all taxes. All taxes the Fed govt collects are directly or indirectly based on an income.
 

Aaron

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If the use of a substance makes one a danger to himself or to others, then yes it should be controlled.
 

thatbrian

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If the use of a substance makes one a danger to himself or to others, then yes it should be controlled.

I don't smoke pot. Never have (well, once, but I didn't inhale) and I am completely opposed to legalized weed. However. . . If your method is the way in which we decide what to regulate. Twinkies and pepperoni pizza would be on the list.
 

JohnDeereFan

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Alcohol tax predated 16th. 16th left no question to Congress right to collect all taxes. All taxes the Fed govt collects are directly or indirectly based on an income.

Irrelevant.

You stated that the Constitution gives the federal government the power to regulate alcohol. When asked where in the Constitution we find this power enumerated, you then moved the goalposts from regulation to taxation.

Then, rather than citing the Constitution granting the power to tax alcohol, you cited the 16th Amendment, which has nothing to do with taxing alcohol, but establishes the power to collect taxes on income.

Meanwhile, you still have not shown where the Constitution grants the government the power to regulate alcohol.
 

Aaron

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I don't smoke pot. Never have (well, once, but I didn't inhale) and I am completely opposed to legalized weed. However. . . If your method is the way in which we decide what to regulate. Twinkies and pepperoni pizza would be on the list.
You know what I mean. Don't be purposefully pedantic.
 

JohnDeereFan

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You know what I mean. Don't be purposefully pedantic.

He has a point. If the government has the right to keep us from being what they perceive to be a danger to ourselves, then why stop at pot? Why not junk food? Why not save us from ourselves by regulating what we can do or where we can go?
 

Aaron

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He has a point. If the government has the right to keep us from being what they perceive to be a danger to ourselves, then why stop at pot? Why not junk food? Why not save us from ourselves by regulating what we can do or where we can go?
He does NOT have a point. Your overeating is not a public safety issue.
 

JohnDeereFan

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He does NOT have a point. Your overeating is not a public safety issue.

First of all, smoking pot isn't a public safety issue. Might be a health issue, but not a public safety issue.

Second, you said "a danger to himself or others". So what about "himself"?
 

James Flagg

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I wonder whether this might lead to removing marijuana from schedule 1 status after lawsuits from the 8 states and D.C. where it's been legalized.
Pro-pot groups will frame it as the feds trampling on states' rights and "subverting the will of the voters".
With public support of legal weed well over 60%, objective data showing clear medicinal benefits and widespread legalization/decriminalization I wouldn't be surprised if Sessions gets a lesson on the so-called law of unintended consequences.
 

Reynolds

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Irrelevant.

You stated that the Constitution gives the federal government the power to regulate alcohol. When asked where in the Constitution we find this power enumerated, you then moved the goalposts from regulation to taxation.

Then, rather than citing the Constitution granting the power to tax alcohol, you cited the 16th Amendment, which has nothing to do with taxing alcohol, but establishes the power to collect taxes on income.

Meanwhile, you still have not shown where the Constitution grants the government the power to regulate alcohol.
Section 8 article 1 plainly gave the Govt that power. 16th in essence gave the Federal govt power to tax anything or anyone that generates an income. It removed any question. It gave them the authority to tax anything except property. Maybe you should get up to speed on COTUS case law.
 

JohnDeereFan

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Section 8 article 1 plainly gave the Govt that power.

Oh, "Section 8 article 1", huh?

Well, I guess you've got me there.

I can honestly say I'm not familiar with "Section 8 article 1".

Of course, neither is anybody else, because no such thing exists in the Constitution.

16th in essence gave the Federal govt power to tax income.

No one argued otherwise. But your claim was that it gives the government the authority to regulate alcohol, which it does not.

Maybe you should get up to speed on COTUS case law.

OK. I'll bite: Please cite some of the precedents you're referring to.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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Not just that, but imagine removing the obligation from the police so they can focus on more important things than pot. It’s a waste of their time.
Imagine all the increased revenue the grocery stores will make! I don’t see why more experimental tests aren’t done on its medicinal characteristics. I’m going to have to look that up
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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Imagine all the increased revenue the grocery stores will make! I don’t see why more experimental tests aren’t done on its medicinal characteristics. I’m going to have to look that up
Canibus found to be effective treatment for peripheral neuropathy and helps chemo patients. Good to know in this house... takes out 2 birds with one stone
 
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