Death Penalty: My view

[Salty]

This is my two cents worth, and I have not read past the OP:

The bible clearly allows government to use deadly force to protect its citizens. However when California voted on the death penalty several years ago, I voted against it. Not because it was unbiblical, because it is not, but because its administration many times was not just. Too many poor people, too many feeble minded, too many people of color were sentenced to death, but the rich, the well connected, the powerful somehow got off disproportionately. And I believe life without parole equally protects citizens.
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Interesting - the groups you selected as being over-representative in receiving the death penalty.

But there are over 2,000 prisoners on death row - yet only 51 are women. That is only 2% of all.
Therefore 98% of all Death Row are men. - Aren't you concerned that men are over representative on Death Row.

 

[Salty]

First, my view on capital punishment, which won't change: ...

... That's my views on capital punishment, etc. & they won'yt change. You may agree or disagree according to the dictates of your own conscience.

Normally, never say never

 

[canadyjd]

Ain't that what I said, Bud?

If we followed His example, what would we do to crooked dealers in the temple?

We might.

Jesus is God. The One without sin. What He did to the “crooked dealers” was just.

We are commanded to follow His example as explained in 1 Timothy 1:15-16 and show mercy to the worst of sinners, even murderers like Paul.

peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

Interesting - the groups you selected as being over-representative in receiving the death penalty.

But there are over 2,000 prisoners on death row - yet only 51 are women. That is only 2% of all.
Therefore 98% of all Death Row are men. - Aren't you concerned that men are over representative on Death Row.

Nah, women don’t kill as often as men. Must be a testosterone thing.

peace to you

 

[Salty]

Nah, women don’t kill as often as men. Must be a testosterone thing.

peace to you

So you are saying that a % is not consistent in the whole population.
Than that could also be true of other groups.

 

[canadyjd]

First, my view on capital punishment, which won't change:….
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Ms. Tucker was such a person. She was guilty of several murders, beyond ANY doubt. It's GREAT that she became a Christian, but she still had to pay man's penalty for her crimes against people……

That's my views on capital punishment, etc. & they won'yt change. You may agree or disagree according to the dictates of your own conscience.

Carla Fate Tucker was a crack addicted prostitute that was guilty of the pick axe murder of an elderly couple in their own home.

Her execution came up in 2000, during the presidential election. George Bush was governor of Texas, and running for President.

What got me to reconsider my support of the DP, was a well known preacher, also a supporter of DP, who stated in her case, he felt a commutation was appropriate because, in his opinion, she had a genuine conversion to Christianity.

I thought, wait just a second!! That’s the standard for mercy? If we believe they have a “genuine” conversion?

I began researching and came to the position I now hold.

peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

So you are saying that a % is not consistent in the whole population.
Than that could also be true of other groups.

It is clearly different among other groups. How many young Asian men shot people dead in the big cities last year?

peace to you

 

[Van]

Interesting - the groups you selected as being over-representative in receiving the death penalty.

But there are over 2,000 prisoners on death row - yet only 51 are women. That is only 2% of all.
Therefore 98% of all Death Row are men. - Aren't you concerned that men are over representative on Death Row.

Funny you said I selected...
"Nationwide, the death row population is about 42% white, 42% black, 13% Latino/a, 2% Asian, and 1% Native American. Among states with at least 10 prisoners, the highest percentages of racial and ethnic minorities were in Nebraska (75%), Texas (73%), and Louisiana (71%). Just 2% of all death-row prisoners are women." (NAACP LDF stats)

The under representation of female is probably caused by females engaging in less murder, and our cultural tenderness toward women. So the 2% number goes with social status bias in the death penalty administration.

 

[Salty]

...The under representation of female is probably caused by females engaging in less murder, and our cultural tenderness toward women. So the 2% number goes with social status bias in the death penalty administration.

(bold - my emphasis )

and that is EXACTLY my point! Some groups may engage in LESS murder.

Is the system perfect - of course not - but keep in mind there are usually at least 3 sides to every story.

 

[Salty]

It is clearly different among other groups. How many young Asian men shot people dead in the big cities last year? ...

I dont know about the age of Asians -
But overall - it is less than 2%
Racial Demographics | Death Penalty Information Center

 

[Van]

(bold - my emphasis )

and that is EXACTLY my point! Some groups may engage in LESS murder.

Is the system perfect - of course not - but keep in mind there are usually at least 3 sides to every story.

Once again you present fiction. Did anyone say or suggest the groups equally commit murder? Nope So why would you imply that someone did?

An analysis of Death Row inmates tells the story, and it lacks justice...

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Thus the importance of having an annual background check on all youth workers.
Many insurance companies will assist with this.

True, unfortunately they did not do that. They were too trusting and they paid a high price I heard later there were 10 to 12 kids abused.

 

[Salty]

Once again you present fiction. Did anyone say or suggest the groups equally commit murder? Nope So why would you imply that someone did?

An analysis of Death Row inmates tells the story, and it lacks justice...

Where did I say equally!!! You initially one group is over representative - and I stated another group is over representative.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

How does all the vigilante "justice" by Christians hold up to Jesus' teaching about loving enemies, non-resistance of evil, turning the other cheek, etc?

Again, a dead child abuser can’t abuse any more... it is impossible. Thus there isn’t a problem for anyone who was abused. Doesn’t He say it would be better for the abuser if he were dead?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

So you are serving on a jury - would you vote to issue the death penalty - if you were 100% sure of their guilt.

Surely not Dave

 

[Salty]

Again, a dead child abuser can’t abuse any more... it is impossible. Thus there isn’t a problem for anyone who was abused. Doesn’t He say it would be better for the abuser if he were dead?

In addition - if he was given Life:
A) he could be pardoned by the Gov or President
B) he could end up getting parole
C) he could escape

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Yes, I would call the police. No, I would not advocate for the death penalty.

What if it were your child being abused... think hard.

 

[Van]

Where did I say equally!!! You initially one group is over representative - and I stated another group is over representative.

If I posted the sky was blue, you seem to need to post sometimes its gray...

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

In addition - if he was given Life:
A) he could be pardoned by the Gov or President
B) he could end up getting parole
C) he could escape

He could become a ruler of a country... evidence Stalin and Hitler thus furthering the spread of mass evil. Have you seen the HBO movie “Conspiracy” ? That meeting to solidify the Final Solution will send a chill through your body. Then to think a British soldier had ole Adolf in his sights and let him go!

 

[JonC]

What if it were your child being abused... think hard.

Then I may want to kill, but even that desire would be sin. When to comes to what we advocate we, as Christians, need to stay as close to Scripture as we can.