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Decretal Theology,

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Charlie24

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37818 said:
What warning were you referring? There are warnings.
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The warning in Rev. 22:19,

"And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

And the warning in Ezek. 18:21-24

"But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.

Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord God: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?

But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die."
 
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37818

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Charlie24 said:
"And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."
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"And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the tree of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."
 
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Zaatar71

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kyredneck said:




Psalms Chapter 139

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I will give thanks unto thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: Wonderful are thy works; And that my soul knoweth right well.

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My frame was not hidden from thee, When I was made in secret, And curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.

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Thine eyes did see mine unformed substance; And in thy book they were all written, Even the days that were ordained for me, When as yet there was none of them.

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How precious also are thy thoughts unto me, O God! How great is the sum of them!
Luke Chapter 10

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Nevertheless in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rejoice that your names are written in heaven.

When 'you people' ought to be rejoicing and thankful that He knew you intimately before you were born, you stupidly fight against it.

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Well yes KY, it looks like you spend time not only reading but also meditating on the Scriptures! Psalm 1 indicates it is the way of blessing.
 
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Brightfame52

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Charlie24 said:
Paul was referring to Rom. 10:13

"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord will be saved."

Who are the "whosoever" BF?
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That verse also refers to the elect. It refers to an elect remnant Joel 2:32

And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the Lord hath said, and in the remnant whom the Lord shall call.
 
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Charlie24

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kyredneck said:
NOT the same as born of the Spirit. Jn 3:3-8
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Man is born of water to enter into this world, this is the physical birth being born through the sack of water in a woman's womb.

But man must be born-again to enter heaven, this is being born of the Spirit, the regeneration by the Holy Spirit that places you in Christ.

Being sealed by the Holy Spirit is the same thing as the regeneration by grace through faith, being born of the Spirit.
 
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Charlie24

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Brightfame52 said:
That verse also refers to the elect. It refers to an elect remnant Joel 2:32

And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the Lord hath said, and in the remnant whom the Lord shall call.
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BF, God has called all men everywhere to repent, Acts 17:30.

Only the ones who choose (the remnant) to believe and repent are the called of God.

You are completely distorting this Scripture.
 
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37818

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Repentance precedes belief.

Mark 1:15, And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Acts 20:21, Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.
 
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Charlie24

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37818 said:
Repentance precedes belief.

Mark 1:15, And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Acts 20:21, Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.
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I agree, they both go together and can't be separated in salvation.

Some will say that repenting is because one is believing when they hear the Gospel, and believing is because one see' his wrong in repenting.

It really doesn't matter, I don't think, both most work together for salvation to take place.
 
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Brightfame52

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Charlie24 said:
BF, God has called all men everywhere to repent, Acts 17:30.

Only the ones who choose (the remnant) to believe and repent are the called of God.

You are completely distorting this Scripture.
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That scripture is about calling a remnant and that from among the jews. Rom 10 is part of a dissertation along with Chapters 9 and 11 about the jews. Paul was concerned about the elect remnant among the look at the first 5 verses Rom 10:1-5


Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
 
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Charlie24

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Brightfame52 said:
That scripture is about calling a remnant and that from among the jews. Rom 10 is part of a dissertation along with Chapters 9 and 11 about the jews. Paul was concerned about the elect remnant among the look at the first 5 verses Rom 10:1-5


Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
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You're making a useless point, BF.

God has called ALL MEN EVERYWHERE to repent, if you believe the Scripture.

Since God has called all men everywhere to repent, the remnant can't be the choosing of God, He wants all to repent.

But we know that all men everywhere are not going to repent, Christ plainly told us that.

So we are left with man choosing his own way and not some theory of predestination gone off the charts.
 
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37818

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I believe in a total depravity. Not Calvinist.
I believe in a conditional election.
I do not believe in the Calvist limited atonement.
A different understanding of irrestable grace.
God who saves keeps whom He saves.
 
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