37818
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A correct view is correct for everyone. A wrong view is wrong for everyone.
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Defence of John 7:53 - John 8:11.
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Silverhair
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And who determines the correct view 38?
37818
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God has when said document was originally written.
The question should be how does one discover the correct answer?
There is a correct answer. We could end up having chosen a wrong answer, and not even known having done so.
Silverhair
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Well since we were not talking about whether God had determined it but whether some group of men had then your comment does not have any relevance does it.
Now if you want to stick with the point of the OP then it still come down to best guess. You may not like the answer but that is the way it is.
37818
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John 7:53 - John 8:11 actually being original to John versus them not being authentic. Would be a case example.
Two videos in this thread.
Silverhair
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But the videos are just what they consider good evidence. But other videos come to a different conclusion. don't they. That is why the disagreements.
So at best it still comes down to the best guess as to what is best evidence and that is the one they go with. Of course they do not call it a guess but it is in fact just that.
And no I did not watch the videos, do not need to as I have seen enough scholars give talks as to what is the best evidence for XYZ.
You need to make your own decisions and not be stuck in lala land. Maybe might be the word of God or might maybe not. Check your sig line.
Silverhair
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Who said I was stuck.
You and 37818 seem to think you have the correct answer and I am saying that you cannot know any more that those that think differently than you do.
They trust the data they have and would say the data you have is wrong or at least not conclusive.
But as I have said before, you do not have the autographs so either way is just a best guess. You may not like that answer but at least it is an honest look at the situation.
KJB1611reader
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Its true and so is Jesus: "as if he didn't hear them."
37818
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Luke 4:4, . . . And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, <snip>
You trust your modern Bible translation. Why?
We do not have the Originals though, so would have to use judgement and textual criticism
They are based upon valid Hebrew and Greek texts, translation by renown scholars who affirmed inerrancy and inspiration of the originals, and we have in them essentially the original bible, so are just as trustworthy and infallible as the Kjv is
Silverhair
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And again you want to step away from the OP, why?
FYI I have at least 15 translations on my system now and more that I have not put on there. But that has nothing to do with what I have been saying does it.
Whether Mar 16:9-20, Joh 7:53-Joh 8:11 are considered to be additions or not is and will continue to be a best guess.
Why do you have such a hard time understanding that point.
Those scholars for and against are just making a judgement call that they think is the best one. A guess.
And the Modern versions do still keep it in the bible, just alerting us that might have not been in the original books
Silverhair
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Remember this discussion is about Mar 16:9-20, Joh 7:53-Joh 8:11 being an addition or not.
Silverhair
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Yes I know, it is marked in some of my bibles and not in others.
Still open to debate.
Personally I do not see any harm in both being included but I am not dogmatic about it as some seem to be.
I do have doubts that Mar 16:18 is original but who knows for sure.
True, and the decision made either way would not reflect upon if one was "denying the bible or not" as some seem to see it as being
Some see it as we must keep it in there in order to not be "denying the bible", while others use it as proof texting their theology, such as charismatics
37818
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We have the texts handed down from the first century originals. The tenet being all of our 66 books.
37818
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They are not the same in too many places. Now I remain KJV user. But cannot be a KJVONLYIST. Modern Bibles have too many issues not admitted.