Define: Legalist

[jim1203]

legalist believes his views is always right, everyone else is always wrong

 

[npetreley]

legalist believes his views is always right, everyone else is always wrong

You're wrong about that, and I'm right.

 

[Rufus_1611]

That does not mean they should submit and obey extra-biblical mandates. You are twisting scripture to support a person's obedience their pastor. Sounds power-hungry to make others look and act like you want them to look and act.

In the scenarios described, the pastor desires to keep folks away from drunkenness and fornication. Why is this so horribly extra-biblical and legalism?

 

[npetreley]

In the scenarios described, the pastor desires to keep folks away from drunkenness and fornication. Why is this so horribly extra-biblical and legalism?

Why does the pastor have to involve himself in where people park? Isn't it sufficient to repeat the obvious BIBLICAL message that drunkenness and fornication are wrong?

 

[Rufus_1611]

Why does the pastor have to involve himself in where people park? Isn't it sufficient to repeat the obvious BIBLICAL message that drunkenness and fornication are wrong?

It would depend on the context, perhaps he's making a contemporary point to a Biblical principle.

"Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright." - Proverbs 23:31​

If we're not to look at it, then perhaps it would be an error to park in front of an establishment that serves it?

 

[dan e.]

:laugh: this is exactly the type of legalism we're talking about!

 

[dan e.]

Sometimes I wonder if people don't preach out of the Mishnah!

 

[npetreley]

It would depend on the context, perhaps he's making a contemporary point to a Biblical principle.

"Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright." - Proverbs 23:31​

If we're not to look at it, then perhaps it would be an error to park in front of an establishment that serves it?

I don't think you understand this verse. It doesn't mean not to ever look at wine. It describes how an alcoholic looks at wine, with inappropriate desire.

 

[J. Jump]

If we're not to look at it, then perhaps it would be an error to park in front of an establishment that serves it?

I think that depends on who you are. I don't think you can paint with a broad stroke and say that it is error for everyone to park there. Maybe I am misreading what you are saying.

But encouraging folks to not even go there, especially if they are prone to drinking or have suffered from drunkenness in the past I think is wise council and certainly not legalism. But even at that you can not demand that they don't park in such a place only that it would be wise on their part if they didn't. As far as I can tell anyway.

 

[npetreley]

I think that depends on who you are. I don't think you can paint with a broad stroke and say that it is error for everyone to park there. Maybe I am misreading what you are saying.

But encouraging folks to not even go there, especially if they are prone to drinking or have suffered from drunkenness in the past I think is wise council and certainly not legalism. But even at that you can not demand that they don't park in such a place only that it would be wise on their part if they didn't. As far as I can tell anyway.

I think that's the first sensible thing I've ever read of yours. You must be slipping.

 

[Rufus_1611]

I don't think you understand this verse. It doesn't mean not to ever look at wine. It describes how an alcoholic looks at wine, with inappropriate desire.

Well, then it would have to read "A drunkard should not look at alcohol with an inappropriate desire." Instead it reads,

"Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright." - Proverbs 23:31​

 

[npetreley]

Well, then it would have to read "A drunkard should not look at alcohol with an inappropriate desire." Instead it reads,

"Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright." - Proverbs 23:31​

No, it reads,

"Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright." - Proverbs 23:31

I see that you want a different spin on it by bolding only the part you like. But that's not the whole verse. I highlighted the rest for your benefit, although I doubt it will matter.

 

[Pipedude]

"Legalism" is not a biblical word, therefore it does not have a biblical definition. Therefore it is a weaselism that enables anyone to smear anyone else who believes that something is wrong.

Pipedude's Definition: A legalist is anybody who thinks that something I condone is wrong.

This definition works every time. Try it and see for yourself ...

(... you stinkin' legalists!)

 

[tenor]

Sometimes I wonder if people don't preach out of the Mishnah!

We actually don't need to preach from it, many people are writing their own.

 

[Hope of Glory]

Perhaps he should warn the flock to stay away from liquor establishments and Myspace and perhaps the sheep should trust and obey rather than accusing the pastor of being a legalist?

The technology changes, but the message remains the same. A few years back, I saw some Christian literature from way back when, and it was warning against telephones, and telling people to avoid them because they could be used to set up adulterous affairs.

 

[EdSutton]

Read the hip hop thread, and you will see it firsthand.

I have. All 27 stinking pages of the tripe. BTW, I don't like hip-hop, personally, but find the attitude posted by some re this 'preference' to be abject legalism.

Ed

 

[Rufus_1611]

"Legalism" is not a biblical word, therefore it does not have a biblical definition. Therefore it is a weaselism that enables anyone to smear anyone else who believes that something is wrong.

Pipedude's Definition: A legalist is anybody who thinks that something I condone is wrong.

This definition works every time. Try it and see for yourself ...

(... you stinkin' legalists!)

I suspect this is the most commonly used definition, particularly around here.

 

[richard n koustas]

In the scenarios described, the pastor desires to keep folks away from drunkenness and fornication. Why is this so horribly extra-biblical and legalism?

drunkenness and fornification?

1 - well, how do we get the wine for the communion service? (maybe i shouldn't have said this, but, read on....)

2 - did you ever stop and consider -- there are, what, about a gazillion or two myspace users out there. what percentage are nonbelievers? what better place to reach a gazillion people for the Lord?

 

[Rufus_1611]

drunkenness and fornification?

1 - well, how do we get the wine for the communion service? (maybe i shouldn't have said this, but, read on....)

2 - did you ever stop and consider -- there are, what, about a gazillion or two myspace users out there. what percentage are nonbelievers? what better place to reach a gazillion people for the Lord?

You ever stop to consider -- there are, what, about a gazillion or two strippers and a gazillion squared strip club attendees. What better place to reach a gazillion people for the Lord than going into a strip club?

 

[EdSutton]

Why, when reading this thread, do I suddenly feel a headache coming on?? :BangHead: :tonofbricks:

Any ideas??

Ed