Democrat Anti-Gun Sting Fizzles

[FollowTheWay]

"easy believerism"?

Eternal Security

 

[HankD]

Eternal Security

Are you relating them?

HankD

 

[Reynolds]

What liberals? It's the Baptist Fundamentalists who redefined the BF&M in 1963 to support easy believerism, which is not Biblical.

Move into the real world please.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

What does Eternal Security have to do with easy believism? I hold to the eternal security of the Believer in Christ, but not easy believism.

Eternal Security

 

[Reynolds]

What does Eternal Security have to do with easy believism? I hold to the eternal security of the Believer in Christ, but not easy believism.

What does any of it have to do with gun control?

 

[Squire Robertsson]

That too.

What does any of it have to do with gun control?

 

[carpro]

What does any of it have to do with gun control?

Well if you can't make a coherent argument, the least you can do is derail the thread...right?

 

[HankD]

I have often said one of the easiest things I know how to do is believe in my LORD.

HankD

 

[Squire Robertsson]

That is a distinct possiblity.

Well if you can't make a coherent argument, the least you can do is derail the thread...right?

 

[FollowTheWay]

Are you relating them?

HankD

Yes. The 1925 BF&M contained the following statement:

"All real believers endure to the end. Their continuance in well-doing is the mark which distinguishes them from mere professors. A special Providence cares for them, and they are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation."

This is essentially the same statement found in the 1833 new Hampshire Confession. It basically says that a genuine conversion experience results in a person being born again into a personal relationship with Christ which will be reflected in a changed life. This is an essential part of Reformed Baptist belief (the P in TULIP) but I believe it is also a requirement from a non-reformed perspective which I hold to, as well. The 1963 BF&M committee, chaired by Herschel Hobbs, took this out of the final document after a bitter battle with none other than D.L. Moody. This has led to most people in the pews believing they can walk down the aisle and shake the preacher's hand and then go out as if nothing has changed and be saved. Nothing is further from the truth.

Actually, my comment is more on the nature of a genuine salvation experience than about perseverance of a (true) believer.

 

[FollowTheWay]

That is a distinct possiblity.

Post #28 derailed the thread not me.

"Define "significant mental problems." In 20 years the liberals will probably decide Bible believing fundamental Christians suffer from "significant mental illness."

 

[HankD]

Yes. The 1925 BF&M contained the following statement:

... The 1963 BF&M committee, chaired by Herschel Hobbs, took this out of the final document after a bitter battle with none other than D.L. Moody. This has led to most people in the pews believing they can walk down the aisle and shake the preacher's hand and then go out as if nothing has changed and be saved. Nothing is further from the truth.

unless the walk down the aisle reflects true belief and regeneration.

HankD

 

[FollowTheWay]

unless the walk down the aisle reflects true belief and regeneration.

HankD

Yes. That's what I'm talking about but many don't interpret it that way.

 

[Rob_BW]

Yes. The 1925 BF&M contained the following statement:

"All real believers endure to the end. Their continuance in well-doing is the mark which distinguishes them from mere professors. A special Providence cares for them, and they are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation."

This is essentially the same statement found in the 1833 new Hampshire Confession. It basically says that a genuine conversion experience results in a person being born again into a personal relationship with Christ which will be reflected in a changed life. This is an essential part of Reformed Baptist belief (the P in TULIP) but I believe it is also a requirement from a non-reformed perspective which I hold to, as well. The 1963 BF&M committee, chaired by Herschel Hobbs, took this out of the final document after a bitter battle with none other than D.L. Moody. This has led to most people in the pews believing they can walk down the aisle and shake the preacher's hand and then go out as if nothing has changed and be saved. Nothing is further from the truth.

Actually, my comment is more on the nature of a genuine salvation experience than about perseverance of a (true) believer.

Maybe I'm ignorant of how many people have gone by the name D.L. Moody, but..how was the 1963 BF&M committee locked in a battle with someone who died in 1899?

 

[carpro]

That is a distinct possiblity.

Looks like the derailment has been successful. It's OK by me if you close the thread.

 

[Reynolds]

Well if you can't make a coherent argument, the least you can do is derail the thread...right?

Correct.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Maybe I'm ignorant of how many people have gone by the name D.L. Moody, but..how was the 1963 BF&M committee locked in a battle with someone who died in 1899?

That is confusing. The Dwight Moody you're referring to was in the 19th century and founded the Moody Bible Institute. D.L. Moody (unrelated think) was a Southern Baptist Seminary professor from 1948-1984. I get these confused and think the earlier person is actually Dwight L. Moody and the person I referred to is Dale Moody. My mistake.

SBTS – Dale Moody

 

[Rob_BW]

That is confusing. The Dwight Moody you're referring to was in the 19th century and founded the Moody Bible Institute. D.L. Moody (unrelated think) was a Southern Baptist Seminary professor from 1948-1984. I get these confused and think the earlier person is actually Dwight L. Moody and the person I referred to is Dale Moody. My mistake.

SBTS – Dale Moody

Lol, okay, thanks for the clarification.