Demonic physical manifestations

[AresMan]

You watch too much TV, or are too gullible.

There is no such thing as a ghost.
What happens to the spirit at death? If you are saved you go to be with the Lord. If you are not saved you go to hell. There is no other option. There is no such thing as a ghost. There are no dead people's spirits wandering around. To believe that is a direct denial of Scripture.

DHK, you obviously did not read the thread. No one here claimed to see the spirits of dead people. They said they may have seen "demonic manifestations" parading as the spirits of dead people. They said that nonbelievers think these things are dead people but that believers know that they are visible tricks by demons. You need to read the thread before making accusations.

 

[webdog]

You watch too much TV, or are too gullible.

There is no such thing as a ghost.
What happens to the spirit at death? If you are saved you go to be with the Lord. If you are not saved you go to hell. There is no other option. There is no such thing as a ghost. There are no dead people's spirits wandering around. To believe that is a direct denial of Scripture.

As for the passage you are referring to, the disciples were full of fear for a number of reasons. The waves were high and boisterous. They thought they could be on the verge of drowning. It was a stormy night. They see in the distance someone walking on water. It is in the distance so they can't make out who it is, but no one walks on water. The proper word is "spirit." It is what they thought they might be seeing, not that they had ever seen one before. It is their account of what might be happening to them on a stormy night when they were afraid "and seeing things." But as "this so-called spirit" draws closer they recognize that it is not a spirit at all but it is the Lord Jesus Christ. He is miraculously walking on water, something that no man can do. Peter, still partly doubting, saying if this is really what I am seeing, and if he is really the Messiah, then bid me also to walk on the water (my paraphrase). Jesus says to come, and as long as he keeps his eyes on the Lord he is able to walk on the water.

But I caution you. Don't try this today.

Try reading the thread first. Your comment is unrelated to the op...and I hardly watch TV, nor am I gullible.

 

[webdog]

And why would you assume that? I never said anything about demon-possession. As I keep saying to another poster in another forum, putting words into my mouth, or deliberate misrepresentation is as good as a lie.

Actually you did. Winman called you out on it as well. Accusing me of deliberate misrepresentation is also a deliberate misrepresentation, particularly when another poster also viewed it.

 

[DHK]

Actually you did. Winman called you out on it as well. Accusing me of deliberate misrepresentation is also a deliberate misrepresentation, particularly when another poster also viewed it.

Then quote me please.

 

[webdog]

If they go deep enough into the paranormal--the
world of demonic spirits, they may begin to see
apparitions, or actual demons manifesting
themselves as beings. Often such people become very
troubled mentally.

See above...

 

[DHK]

See above...

I was speaking of the unsaved. I don't believe that believers can become demon possessed. They may become oppressed and influenced by demons, but not possessed.
So how could I have been speaking of you?

 

[webdog]

I was speaking of the unsaved. I don't believe that believers can become demon possessed. They may become oppressed and influenced by demons, but not possessed.
So how could I have been speaking of you?

That quote combined with your reply to Winman regarding his pastor sure sounded like you were speaking of believers. Did you not say only those possessed can see demonic aparitions?

 

[DHK]

That quote combined with your reply to Winman regarding his pastor sure sounded like you were speaking of believers. Did you not say only those possessed can see demonic aparitions?

First, "Greater is he that is in you then he that is in the world."
I don't believe a Christian can be demon-possessed.
Secondly, if someone introduced their pastor to me as one who can see demons, or demonic apparitions, then yes, I would have serious doubts about his ministry. Only those involved in the occult would be having such experiences. Where did I say anybody was demon possessed? You lie when you misrepresent a person's position. I never said anyone was demon possessed.

 

[webdog]

First, "Greater is he that is in you then he that is in the world."

Agreed.

I don't believe a Christian can be demon-possessed.

Who's talking about demon possession besides you? Not I! YOU said ONLY the demon possessed can see physical manifestations of demons. There are those on this thread that have seen and heard such manifestations, and we are not demon possessed. To even allude to that is questioning our salvation.

Secondly, if someone introduced their pastor to me as one who can see demons, or demonic apparitions, then yes, I would have serious doubts about his ministry.

...and who are you to doubt their ministry?

Only those involved in the occult would be having such experiences.

So now myself and those on this thread who have experienced such are in the occult? When is someone going to issue you an infraction for "offensive language"?

Where did I say anybody was demon possessed?

I quoted your very words!

You lie when you misrepresent a person's position. I never said anyone was demon possessed.

...and you lie when you don't own up to the very things you say!

 

[DHK]

Agreed.

1 John 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Who's talking about demon possession besides you? Not I! YOU said ONLY the demon possessed can see physical manifestations of demons. There are those on this thread that have seen and heard such manifestations, and we are not demon possessed. To even allude to that is questioning our salvation.

You questioned your own salvation and I don't know why.
The only time I alluded to demon possession was in the context of unsaved individuals.

...and who are you to doubt their ministry?

What ministry? I gave you a hypothetical. I said if you were to introduce me to your pastor and you said he has the ability to see demons or manifestations of demons that I would not go to his church.
I never said anything about demon-possession, but you assumed it from that one quote. Why would a Godly man see demons? Our goal is that we might see Christ (not visibly), and not demons. It is Christ that lives in us. He is greater than demons. Why would a Godly person see demons? The only logical reason here is that he has been dabbling in the occult, doing things that he should not be doing.
What does the Bible say:

Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Hebrews 12:3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.

I guarantee you, that if you are "looking unto Jesus," your mind is focused on him; if you are "considering him" and Him alone, that there is no way you will ever be seeing any demons or any manifestations thereof.
Something is definitely wrong.

So now myself and those on this thread who have experienced such are in the occult? When is someone going to issue you an infraction for "offensive language"?

What offensive language?
First, when I made my original post I made it clear that this was my first post on this thread and I had not read the previous 13 pages. I didn't feel like wading through it all to see what everyone had said.
I then made my position clear, but perhaps it wasn't clear enough for you to understand.

I quoted your very words!
...and you lie when you don't own up to the very things you say!

I don't appreciate your false accusation.
You took my words out of the context I was saying them. I told you plainly that I don't believe believers can be demon-possessed. I was speaking of the unsaved when I mentioned demon possession. So why are you still offended?

 

[InTheLight]

Why would a Godly person see demons? The only logical reason here is that he has been dabbling in the occult, doing things that he should not be doing.

I guarantee you, that if you are "looking unto Jesus," your mind is focused on him; if you are "considering him" and Him alone, that there is no way you will ever be seeing any demons or any manifestations thereof.
Something is definitely wrong.

You 'guarantee it'? Pure conjecture with no basis in scripture.

 

[Yeshua1]

Whose body did Satan appear in when he tempted Jesus in the wilderness?

I was speaking of demons being "physically" visible!

They ONLY were such while possessing human hosts!

 

[DHK]

You 'guarantee it'? Pure conjecture with no basis in scripture.

I have already given a basis in Scripture. What is yours?