Demons

[MalkyEL]

Dr. Bob Griffin wrote:
Let's stick with BIBLICAL FACTS . . .

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MalkyEL:

1 Peter 5
8 ¶ Be sensible and vigilant, because your adversary the Devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking someone he may devour;
9 whom firmly resist in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions in the world are being completed in your brotherhood.
10 ¶ But the God of all grace, He calling us to His eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after you have suffered a little, He will perfect, confirm, strengthen, and establish you .
11 To Him be the glory and the might forever and ever. Amen.

1 Corinthians 11
13 For such ones are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 Did not even satan marvelously transform himself into an angel of light?
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves as ministers of righteousness, whose end shall be according to their works.

 

[MalkyEL]

1 Chronicles 21
1 ¶ And Satan stood up against Israel and provoked David to take a census of Israel.

Job 1
1 ¶ There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job. And that man was perfect and upright, and one who feared God and turned aside from evil.
2 And there were born to him seven sons and three daughters.
3 And his possessions were seven thousand sheep and three thousand camels, and five hundred yoke of oxen, and five hundred she asses, and a very great household, so that this man was the greatest of all the men of the east.
4 ¶ And his sons went and feasted in the house of each one on his day. And they sent and called for their three sisters to eat and to drink with them.
5 And when they had gone around the day of feasting, Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all. For Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned and cursed God in their hearts. So Job did always.
6 ¶ And a day came when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD. And Satan also came among them.
7 And the LORD said to Satan, From where do you come? Then Satan answered the LORD and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
8 And the LORD said to Satan, Have you set your heart against My servant Job, because there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and upright man, one who fears God and turns away from evil?
9 And Satan answered the LORD and said, Does Job fear God for nothing?
10 Have You not made a hedge around him, and around his house, and around all that he has on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his livestock have increased in the land.
11 But put forth Your hand now, and touch all that he has, and he will curse You to Your face.
12 And the LORD said to Satan, Behold, all that he has is in your power. Only do not lay your hand upon him. And Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.
13 ¶ And a day came when his sons and his daughters were eating and drinking wine in their oldest brother's house.
14 And there came a messenger to Job and said, The oxen were plowing, and the asses feeding beside them.
15 And the Sabeans fell on and took them away. Yea, they have killed the servants with the edge of the sword. And I only have escaped alone to tell you.
16 While he was still speaking, there also came another and said, The fire of God has fallen from the heavens and has burned up the sheep and the servants, and destroyed them. And I only have escaped alone to tell you.
17 While he was still speaking, there also came another and said, The Chaldeans made out three bands and swooped down upon the camels, and have carried them away, yea, and have killed the servants with the edge of the sword. And I only have escaped alone to tell you.
18 While he was still speaking, there also came another and said, Your sons and your daughters were eating and drinking wine in their oldest brother's house.
19 And, behold, a great wind came from the wilderness and struck the four corners of the house, and it fell upon the young men, and they are dead. And I only have escaped alone to tell you.
20 ¶ And Job arose, and tore his robe, and shaved his head, and fell down upon the ground and worshiped.
21 And he said, I came naked out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return there. The LORD gave, and the LORD has taken away. Blessed be the name of the LORD.
22 In all this Job did not sin, nor charge God foolishly.

 

[vaspers]

mlg: though I originally suspected your post was a hoax, now I think you make more sense than lots of people who have posted on BB.

I've had to be on high alert about lots of things in my life lately, left a quarantined church, dispute with former pastor, a relative with posssible mob hit trouble, aililng mother and doctor visits, you name it, the struggle was intense and baffling at times.

I think topic thread is back on target now.

Yes, occult involvement causes negative forces to activate and stalk, but when we turn to God and resist the devil, he and all his feeble, pathetic forces FLEE, not shuffle slowly and reluctantly, but FLEE like a bunch of sissies and cowards.

The devil and his minions are cowards. Why?

Because the devil was afraid of a baby once. That baby was little Jesus, who was incapable of performing any miracles as a baby, dependent on angels to protect Him, as He mentioned later in His ministry ("12 legions the Father would give me if I asked Him for them.")

The devil, that pathetic chump, had all the little toddlers in Bethelehem slaughtered for fear of a Messiah, a King of the Jews, being among them.

What do you call a spirit being who is afraid of babies? A coward, a bully, a pile of garbage.

The devil is a loser. Greater is He that is in us, than he that is in the world.

 

[MalkyEL]

Job 2
1 ¶ And it happened that a day came when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD. And Satan also came among them to present himself before the LORD.
2 And the LORD said to Satan, From where do you come? And Satan answered the LORD and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
3 And the LORD said unto Satan, Have you set your heart on My servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one who fears God and turns away from evil? And still he is keeping hold of his integrity, although you moved Me against him to destroy him without cause.
4 And Satan answered the LORD and said, Skin for skin, yea, all that a man has he will give for his life.
5 But indeed put forth Your hand now, and touch his bone and his flesh, and he will curse You to Your face.
6 And the LORD said to Satan, Behold, he is in your hand, but save his life.
7 ¶ And Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD and struck Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot to the top of his head.
8 And he took a broken piece of pottery to scrape himself with. And he sat down among the ashes.
9 And his wife said to him, Do you still hold to your integrity? Curse God and die!
10 But he said to her, You speak as one of the foolish ones speak. What? Shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this Job did not sin with his lips.

Zechariah 3
1 ¶ And He showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the Angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to accuse him.
2 And the LORD said to Satan, May the LORD rebuke you, Satan! May even the LORD who has chosen Jerusalem rebuke you! Is this not a brand plucked out of the fire?
3 Now Joshua was clothed with filthy clothes, and stood before the Angel.
4 And He answered and spoke to those who stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy clothes from him. And to him He said, Behold, I have caused your iniquity to pass from you, and I will clothe you with ceremonial robes.
5 And I said, Let them set a clean turban on his head. And they set a clean turban on his head and clothed him with garments. And the Angel of the LORD stood by.
6 And the Angel of the LORD charged Joshua, saying,
7 So says the LORD of hosts: If you will walk in My ways, and if you will keep My charge, then you shall also judge My house, and shall also keep My courts, and I will give you places to walk among these who stand by.

 

[MalkyEL]

Matthew 4
1 ¶ Then Jesus was led by the Spirit up into the wilderness, to be tempted by the Devil.
2 And when He had fasted forty days and forty nights, He was afterwards hungry.
3 And when the tempter came to Him, he said, If You are the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
4 But He answered and said, It is written, "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God."
5 Then the Devil took Him up into the holy city and set Him upon a pinnacle of the Temple.
6 And he said to Him, If you are the Son of God, cast yourself down. For it is written, "He shall give His angels charge concerning You, and in their hands they shall bear You up, lest at any time You dash Your foot against a stone."
7 Jesus said to him, It is written again, "You shall not tempt the Lord your God."
8 Again, the Devil took Him up into a very high mountain and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory.
9 And he said to Him, All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me.
10 Then Jesus said to him, Go, Satan! For it is written, "You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve."
11 Then the Devil left him. And behold, angels came and ministered to Him.

9 ¶ And it happened in those days that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee and was baptized by John in the Jordan.
10 And immediately coming up out of the water, He saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon Him.
11 And there came a voice from Heaven, saying , You are My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
12 And immediately the Spirit drove Him into the wilderness.
13 And He was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted by Satan. And He was with the wild beasts, and the angels ministered to Him.

 

[MalkyEL]

Matthew 12
22 ¶ Then one who had been demon-possessed was brought to Him, blind and dumb. And He healed him, so much so that the blind and dumb one both spoke and saw.
23 And all the people were amazed and said, Is not this the son of David?
24 But when the Pharisees heard, they said, This one does not cast out demons except by Beelzebub the ruler of the demons.
25 And Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation. And every city or house divided against itself shall not stand.
26 And if Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then shall his kingdom stand?
27 But if I cast out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges.
28 But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come to you.
29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house and spoil his goods, unless first he binds the strong one, and then he will plunder his house.
30 The one who is not with Me is against Me, and the one who does not gather with Me scatters.

Luke 11
14 ¶ And He was casting out a demon, and it was dumb. And it happened as the demon was going out, the dumb one spoke. And the people marveled.
15 But some of them said, He casts out demons through Beelzebub the chief of the demons.
16 And others, tempting Him , sought a sign from Heaven from him.
17 But knowing their thoughts, He said to them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation. And a house divided against a house falls.
18 If Satan also is divided against himself, how shall his kingdom stand? For you say that I cast out demons through Beelzebub.
19 And if I cast out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges.
20 But if I cast out demons with the finger of God, no doubt the kingdom of God has come on you.
21 When the strong man, fully armed, guards his dwelling, his goods are in peace.
22 But when one stronger than he comes, he overcomes him. He takes from him all his armor in which he trusted, and he distributes his arms.
23 He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters.
24 When the unclean spirit has gone out of a man, he walks through dry places seeking rest. And finding none, he says, I will return to my house from which I came out.
25 And when he comes, he finds it swept and decorated.
26 And he goes and takes seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and entering in, they dwell there. And the last state of that man is worse than the first.

 

[Phillip]

Originally posted by vaspers:
mlg: though I originally suspected your post was a hoax, now I think you make more sense than lots of people who have posted on BB.

I've had to be on high alert about lots of things in my life lately, left a quarantined church, dispute with former pastor, a relative with posssible mob hit trouble, aililng mother and doctor visits, you name it, the struggle was intense and baffling at times.

I think topic thread is back on target now.

Yes, occult involvement causes negative forces to activate and stalk, but when we turn to God and resist the devil, he and all his feeble, pathetic forces FLEE, not shuffle slowly and reluctantly, but FLEE like a bunch of sissies and cowards.

The devil and his minions are cowards. Why?

Because the devil was afraid of a baby once. That baby was little Jesus, who was incapable of performing any miracles as a baby, dependent on angels to protect Him, as He mentioned later in His ministry ("12 legions the Father would give me if I asked Him for them.")

The devil, that pathetic chump, had all the little toddlers in Bethelehem slaughtered for fear of a Messiah, a King of the Jews, being among them.

What do you call a spirit being who is afraid of babies? A coward, a bully, a pile of garbage.

The devil is a loser. Greater is He that is in us, than he that is in the world.

Great post Vaspers. I think it is better to give some encouraging words than continue to point out how "bad" demonic forces are, thus making our lady friend feel hopeless. There is hope and that is what you have provided here.

I commend you!

 

[MalkyEL]

Mark 4
13 And He said to them, Do you not know this parable? And how then will you know all parables?
14 The sower sows the Word.
15 And these are those by the wayside, where the Word is sown. And when they hear, Satan comes immediately and takes away the Word that was sown in their hearts.
16 And these are those likewise being sown on stony places; who, when they hear the Word, immediately receive it with gladness.
17 But they have no root in themselves, but are temporary. Afterward when affliction or persecution arises for the Word's sake, they are immediately offended.
18 And these are those being sown among thorns; such as hear the Word,
19 and the cares of this world, and the deceit of riches, and the lust about other things entering in, choke the Word, and it becomes unfruitful.
20 And these are those sown on good ground, who hear the Word and welcome it , and bear fruit, one thirty, one sixty, and one a hundredfold.

Luke 13
11 And behold, there was a woman who had a spirit of infirmity eighteen years, and she was bowed together and was not able to be completely erect.
12 And when Jesus saw her, He called and said to her, Woman, you are delivered from your infirmity.
13 And He laid His hands on her. And instantly she was made erect, and she glorified God.
14 And answering, the synagogue ruler, being angry because Jesus had healed on the sabbath day, said to the crowd, There are six days in which it is right to work. Therefore in them come and be healed, and not on the sabbath day.
15 And the Lord answered him and said, Hypocrite! Does not each one of you on the sabbath loosen his ox or ass from the stall and lead it away, to give it drink?
16 And ought not this woman , being a daughter of Abraham whom Satan has bound, lo these eighteen years, be loosened from this bond on the Sabbath day?
17 And when He had said these things, all His adversaries were ashamed. And all the people rejoiced for all the glorious things that were done by Him.

 

[MalkyEL]

pssssst . . . vaspers . . . whispering > I think we're only supposed to quote scripture

 

[vaspers]

long posts are a pain to read, bro.

scripture is good, but not sarcastic over-doing.

I'm on your side mostly, but let's try to be nice.

I'm trying to soften up a bit. I'm too much enjoying confrontation and debate. How's about being comforting as well as strong?

 

[sharpSword]

Phillip yu said :"I don't think demons are so much attracked to things like Ouiji boards and Harry Potter books. Let's don't get un-biblical and superstitious here."

You know. Before I knew anything of the Lord Jesus Christ--I believed the Ouija board was real...and guess what ...it was. It gave the initials of my now spouse and other 'gleanings'... under other than my power.

You see, the difference between a Christian and a non-christian is that they are already under the influence of the prince of darkness, and are the children of disobedience. They don't know the spiritual powers that can be at work. They think it's fun and mysterious and exciting. That's the hook. And if that thinking is taught in families--yikes---even generational teaching--...that is ...it's fun, exciting and mysterious and you just have to believe ....you get what you are seeking. Biblical passage?

Here you go:
Ephesians 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins:
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: 3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath , even as others.
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved

Bob stated:"Let's stick with BIBLICAL FACTS and not hyperbole and ANECDOTAL STORIES that are trite and meaningless."

I absolutely agree. Truth is absolutely necessary. And Truth in peoples lives showing that God reigns despite what they come out of is not only of value to those struggling...but necessary to show that we are indeed more than conquerors in Christ Jesus. I am assuming that is what you were meaning.

Diane you said "Unfortunately we have a growing number of Christian's and Baptist, who believe in 'Generational Sins'. A cheating uncle or a death of a sailor great grandfather at sea would open the door to satanic influences and these people are BLAMING their own sins on their ancestor's. "

And then "Since Ouija Boards, all the relatives involved in the 'occult' were mentioned, I wonder if that's what is being inferred here?"

Now I wasn't quite sure what you were referring to until Kim said this, "Dear mlg1019, I really don't think Diane was referring to you when she made her post."

So allow me to ask and clarify. Were you referring to what I was talking about when my family did not know the Lord Jesus Christ and the common practices involving the occult, tea leaf reading, seances, ouija boards and so on, was in fact generational to the fact that it was taught parent to child, and encouraged as part of life? If so, then you are not understanding what is being said...or the acknowledging each family member had to take, in individual repentance for their own sins, and accepting Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord. It has nothing to do with, how did you say it,"BLAMING their own sins on their ancestor's".

You see, just as parents are to train a child up in the Lord...those who don't know the Lord Jesus Christ train them up in the way they have known...the ways of disobedience and darkness, and rebellion and rejection of Christ. Now if you are not understanding that is what was meant or feel that it is an excuse being used for those that are lost to remain in sin--and specifically meant in reference to what I wrote...you are wrong. Both Biblically and Spiritually.

Why, because the children of disobedience are bound to the things of wrath.

Ephesians 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth
10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

Colossians 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.
8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.
9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

I hope that clarifies any confusion about what I specifically meant and the Biblical reasons not only for sharing it, but for clarifying it now.

 

[Phillip]

Originally posted by MalkyEL:
pssssst . . . vaspers . . . whispering > I think we're only supposed to quote scripture

MalkyEl, Nobody said you could do nothing but quote scriptures. Dr. Bob just didn't want to turn a thread from a woman asking for help into a debate about who has seen the most polterguists or a course in demonology. Please understand, that I have mentioned that if you want to discuss demonology I seriously doubt that Dr. Bob would have any problem with you starting a new subject just for that matter, as long as we keep it to Biblical issues.

Just because someone has been around occultists or secular spirit guides, etc. does not make one an expert. So, the ghost stories were not necessary for the subject matter. I hope you can understand. It was not meant to be insulting, just to keep the thread on subject.

It has been derailed very quickly when people started giving their ghost stories, such as, I knew a ghost in a cemetery, etc. That simply was not the discussion needed here.

As far as I can tell, you have not based your posts on helping the lady who has asked for help, only reinforced that it MUST be spiritually based and CANNOT be physiologically based. I don't think that we are qualified to make this decision on how the girl should be treated without actually physically talking with her. Therefore, the posts were "off-subject".

If she has a physiological problem that is not dealt with and continues to get worse, then we have done her a disservice by our implications that it absolutely HAS to be demonic influence.

Sorry, I didn't want to spread this out on the table, but I see no other way for you to understand the issues at hand and why this post was going in the wrong direction. I hope you understand better now.

Thank you,

 

[MalkyEL]

Vaspers wrote:
I'm trying to soften up a bit. I'm too much enjoying confrontation and debate. How's about being comforting as well as strong?

MalkyEL:
1) My apologies for coming on so strong.

2) The Word of God is like pure silver refined 7 times - it was not meant for sarcasm, but for Truth.

3) My posts, which emphasised seeking God, being patient, praying diligently, walking in love, and being led by the Holy Spirit are now being perceived as negative. I was simply responding to questions honestly and Biblically.

4) It is obvious that confirming and encouraging are only allowed within certain perameters - ie: agreement with certain posters. Those same posters being allowed to ridicule and make sarcastic remarks is neither "soft nor comforting".

5) If one is not knowledgeable as to the enemies offensive tactics, how is one equipped to fight?

6) The discussion was very enlightening for the most part and interesting. It got shut down because the truth was revealed and those who do not understand the enemy do not understand Truth.

7) I would be more than happy to share what God has shown me in His Word and through those He has used to sharpen the Sword if given the opportunity.

 

[KimS]

Originally posted by Phillip:
[Dr. Bob just didn't want to turn a thread from a woman asking for help into a debate about who has seen the most polterguists

I beg your pardon sir but again I will state that I only told of my story to show mlg that she wasn't alone. There were so many people on this board doubting her story and felt that was wrong.

Kim

 

[vaspers]

Yeah, lots of "Christians" want to be happy all the time and successful and not deal with the dark side of the world, the valley of sin, occultism, and death.

It's easier to think all witchcraft is harmless fantasy. That demons only lurk and linger in Africa, India, Haiti, and other non-white, non-capitalistic cultures.

mlg and sharpSword and some others know better.

mlg I hope you've been encouraged, Biblically enlightened, and made stronger to stand fearlessly and aggressively against the Defeated Sissy: Satan.

 

[MalkyEL]

You are exactly right, Kim, and you had every right to offer support as you have done. The effects and ploys of satan are very real both in the physical realm as well as spiritual.
Sadly, few have the discernment to see the reality of satanism and its affects on people.

I am so thankful that God has allowed me a personal view of demonic infestation and attack because there are many who need knowledge and guidence in this area. I am not an expert and have not been trained formally, although I have studied, and by God's grace, have been "educated" Providentially. God's Word says that He can and will give knowledge and discernment to those who seek Him diligently and He has also given me select friends who are well armed warriors in His army against satan. His Word is the Sword of the Spirit.

There are several things necessary for arming oneself against the enemy, for resisting him, and a life that continues to stand against him. It is a life changing process. I will do a separate post for each one. The Scriptures I include are but a few of many. If one's heart is truly set to be set free from demonic strongholds, possession, and attacks - I would be willing to go one on one with anyone, after seeking God's will on it. For now, let me share the basics of what I have come to know - as always, the Holy Spirit does refine and season as time goes on, in the renewing and transforming of the mind, being cleansed by the washing of the Word.

1) One must surrender to Jesus Christ as Savior, Lord, and King with all of one's heart, soul, body, mind, and strength believing that He is God's Son having come to earth in human form, and that Jesus, alone, is The Way, the Truth, and the Life. This surrender must include a love for God that is above all else and a strong desire to know Him, His Word, and His Truth and a commitment to be free from all deception. Humbleness before God, a repentant heart, thankfulness for all He has done, and a dedicated life are all part of the salvation process.

John 3
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only-begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but so that the world might be saved through Him.
18 He who believes on Him is not condemned, but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only-begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than the Light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
21 But he who practices truth comes to the Light so that his works may be revealed, that they exist, having been worked in God.

1 Timothy 3:16
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among nations, believed on in the world, and received up into glory.

Philipians 2
5 For let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus,
6 who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God,
7 but made Himself of no reputation, and took upon Himself the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men.
8 And being found in fashion as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 Therefore God has highly exalted Him, and has given Him a name which is above every name,
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of heavenly ones, and of earthly ones, and of ones under the earth;
11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.


John 14
6 Jesus said to him, I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life; no one comes to the Father but by Me.

Mark 12
29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is , "Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord;
30 and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength." This is the first commandment.
31 And the second is like this: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. There is no other commandment greater than these.


John 10
31 ¶ Then Jesus said to the Jews who believed on Him, ***If you continue in My Word***, you are My disciples indeed.
32 And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Psalms 51
1 . . . Have mercy on me, O God, according to Your loving-kindness; according to the multitude of Your tender mercies, blot out my transgressions.
2 Wash me completely from my iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin.
3 For I confess my transgressions; and my sin is ever before me.
4 Against You, You only, have I sinned, and done evil in Your sight; that You might be justified when You speak, and be clear when You judge.
5 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.
6 Behold, You desire truth in the inward parts; and in the hidden part You shall make me to know wisdom.
10 Create in me a clean heart, O God, and renew a right spirit within me.
11 Cast me not away from Your presence, and take not Your Holy Spirit from me.
12 Restore to me the joy of Your salvation, and uphold me with a willing spirit.


Romans 12
1 ¶ I beseech you therefore, brothers, by the mercies of God to present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, pleasing to God, which is your reasonable service.
2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, in order to prove by you what is that good and pleasing and perfect will of God.

James 4
10 Be humbled before the Lord, and He will lift you up.

Philippians 2
12 ¶ Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, cultivate [work out] your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Psalms 30
11 You have turned my mourning into dancing for me; You have torn off my sackcloth, and have clothed me with gladness,
12 so that my glory may sing praise to You, and not be silent. O LORD my God, I will give thanks to You forever.

 

[Phillip]

Originally posted by MalkyEL:
You are exactly right, Kim, and you had every right to offer support as you have done. The effects and ploys of satan are very real both in the physical realm as well as spiritual.
Sadly, few have the discernment to see the reality of satanism and its affects on people.

I am so thankful that God has allowed me a personal view of demonic infestation and attack because there are many who need knowledge and guidence in this area. I am not an expert and have not been trained formally, although I have studied, and by God's grace, have been "educated" Providentially.

I am so thankful and happy that you have been able to personally view demonic infestation and attack, so that you may provide the knowledge and education we all need in the realm of the occult. You don't know how comfortable that makes me.

Next time I find somebody claiming to have seen a ghost, I'll send them to you. Maybe we could even change your title to MalkyEL, Demon busters. Complete with a music score dum-de-dum-de-dum, Demon Busteeeersssss!

Seriously, You just didn't get ANY of my posts, did you? It is obvious from your last post you STILL don't?

You continue trying to prove the existance of demons. I already told you that is NOT the issue, it is the direction this thread has gone.

I'll leave you to debate your demonic "experiences" here and quote Bible verses proving beyond a shadow of doubt that anybody who says they are bothered by demons, it MUST absolutely be the case and cannot be a physiological issue.

The only reason I post and rail against this type of therapy is the fact that you make no room to rule out physical issues before you jump the conclusion that demons must be involved, because they obviously haunt your graveyard.

AGAIN, We do NOT need your vitae of experiences with the realm of darkness. It just does not make you a qualified Christian-counselor nor a qualified doctor. If taken at its full extent, infact, the advice I have seen here could be very damaging in certain situations.

If you cannot understand what I am saying here and continue to comment that "those people who post and don't agree with you just need an "education" in the real dark arts", like yourself, then I'm sorry, but the entire point here is flying over your head like a sparrow. (just don't look up, please)

Dr. Bob asked us (in so many words) not to turn this into a discussion of what you have or think you have experienced in the occult. What portion of that do you not understand? The fact that he is the moderator?

I am so glad our lady friend who opened this post has found somebody and hopefully it is someone who will provide her the help she needs and not support for what may be dillusional issues. I say this at risk of her seeing my post, but YOU tell me why you have so much trouble with a doctor ruling out physiological problems before jumping into the occult? I'm just talking to myself here, don't bother to answer, I know that this is still not hitting the target.

Or you may continue to quote scripture. I don't have ANY problems with scripture, never have---why don't you try posting a few entire chapters instead of pulling verses out of context based on your "word-searcher". I've said it three times, I'm outta here. I know, I know, its addictive to come back and try to get the subject back on course, but this is obviously a moot issue.

 

[Phillip]

Uh, 'scuse me, but let me ask you a quick question MalkyEL; In your profile you list yourself as "Berean".

Is this a Baptist splinter group I have never heard of? Surely it is not the assemblies of god group? Could you elaborate?

 

[MalkyEL]

Phillip,

I was quite touched by your post and won't bother to copy and paste.
You did miss the best part, though!!! I was thinking of you when I wrote it, cause I wanted to make sure it passed the test of
1) Biblcally factual

2) positive and encouraging

Oh - and please, if anyone thinks that the scripts I quoted to go along with my last post are out of context, show me which ones - thanx.

As you didn't quote the best part, here it is:

There are several things necessary for arming oneself against the enemy, for resisting him, and a life that continues to stand against him. It is a life changing process. I will do a separate post for each one. The Scriptures I include are but a few of many. If one's heart is truly set to be set free from demonic strongholds, possession, and attacks - I would be willing to go one on one with anyone, after seeking God's will on it. For now, let me share the basics of what I have come to know - as always, the Holy Spirit does refine and season as time goes on, in the renewing and transforming of the mind, being cleansed by the washing of the Word.

1) One must surrender to Jesus Christ as Savior, Lord, and King with all of one's heart, soul, body, mind, and strength believing that He is God's Son having come to earth in human form, and that Jesus, alone, is The Way, the Truth, and the Life. This surrender must include a love for God that is above all else and a strong desire to know Him, His Word, and His Truth and a commitment to be free from all deception. Humbleness before God, a repentant heart, thankfulness for all He has done, and a dedicated life are all part of the salvation process.

[Scriptures can be seen two posts up ]

 

[MalkyEL]

A Berean is a good Baptist/Christian who strives to know God's Word and studies to know His truth. Sorry, I haven't been in an AOG church in a very long time and am not that familiar with them.

Acts 17:10 ¶ And the brothers immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea. They, when they arrived, went into the synagogue of the Jews.
11 And these were more noble than those of Thessalonica, in that they received the Word with all readiness of mind and searched the Scriptures daily to see if those things were so .

John 10
31 ¶ Then Jesus said to the Jews who believed on Him, ***If you continue in My Word***, you are My disciples indeed.
32 And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.