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Reynolds

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Without googling, who wrote the following, a Calvinist or Non Calvinist?

"Faith is simply a convicted heart reaching out to receive God's free and unmerited gift of salvation."
 
alexander284

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Reynolds said:
Without googling, who wrote the following, a Calvinist or Non Calvinist?

"Faith is simply a convicted heart reaching out to receive God's free and unmerited gift of salvation."
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By the way, when I initially observed the title of your thread (for some reason) I thought it was going to have something to do with music. :Roflmao
 
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One thing I have observed on this forum, @Reynolds , is that a sect of Calvinists ban together and argue as a group. If one member of the group makes an error the rest try to hide it. If one member opposes one of in their camp they attack. And ultimately they never really get to the heart of the issue.

At the same time there are Calvinists on this forum who carefully consider Scripture, who can look at opposing views for what they are rather than the characterization they want them to be. But they rarely get caught up in the debates here (they know it is a debate that cannot be won or lost).
 
Reynolds

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JonC said:
One thing I have observed on this forum, @Reynolds , is that a sect of Calvinists ban together and argue as a group. If one member of the group makes an error the rest try to hide it. If one member opposes one of in their camp they attack. And ultimately they never really get to the heart of the issue.

At the same time there are Calvinists on this forum who carefully consider Scripture, who can look at opposing views for what they are rather than the characterization they want them to be. But they rarely get caught up in the debates here (they know it is a debate that cannot be won or lost).
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I have noticed that as well. One reason I respect Calvinists such as J.M. and D James Kennedy, is because they are/were so confident in their Calvinism that they do not rabidly defend it. Both readily admit that not all Scripture supports Calvinism , some supports Arminianism.
So many on here twist some passages to death to try to prove that it supports Calvinism, when it does not. (The opposite is true as well)
 
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Yes. A high Calvinist in fact. John Macarthur, in his Romans commentary. Why if a non Calvinist says this, he gets accused of adding "works" to grace?
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MacArthur...a high Calvinist? That's cute. There are a number of things McArthur would not adhere to that disqualify him from high Calvinist. Now, if you were quoting RC Sproul...

You do show how one sentence, removed from context, can cause a person to wonder.

"Faith is simply a convicted heart reaching out to receive God's free and unmerited gift of salvation."

What is the context around this sentence?
 
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Reynolds said:
Without googling, who wrote the following, a Calvinist or Non Calvinist?

"Faith is simply a convicted heart reaching out to receive God's free and unmerited gift of salvation."
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Reynolds said:
Yes. A high Calvinist in fact. John Macarthur, in his Romans commentary. Why if a non Calvinist says this, he gets accused of adding "works" to grace?
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Because as, someone mentioned yesterday, that is only one piece of the puzzle. And that is also a sentence with absolutely no context.
 
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JonC said:
One thing I have observed on this forum, @Reynolds , is that a sect of Calvinists ban together and argue as a group. If one member of the group makes an error the rest try to hide it. If one member opposes one of in their camp they attack. And ultimately they never really get to the heart of the issue.

At the same time there are Calvinists on this forum who carefully consider Scripture, who can look at opposing views for what they are rather than the characterization they want them to be. But they rarely get caught up in the debates here (they know it is a debate that cannot be won or lost).
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You will notice this happens on pretty much every christian chat forum.. The last chat room I was heavily involved in had a bunch of people banned because of the calvinist debate. Sadly, the chatroon has yet to recover..
 
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Reynolds said:
I have noticed that as well. One reason I respect Calvinists such as J.M. and D James Kennedy, is because they are/were so confident in their Calvinism that they do not rabidly defend it. Both readily admit that not all Scripture supports Calvinism , some supports Arminianism.
So many on here twist some passages to death to try to prove that it supports Calvinism, when it does not. (The opposite is true as well)
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I think one of the biggest problems I have seen is everyone trying to put people under these two groups. Your either calvinist or arminian. There is no inbetween. So then no one can discuss because we are trying to put someone in a group they do not belong to..
 
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JonC said:
One thing I have observed on this forum, @Reynolds , is that a sect of Calvinists ban together and argue as a group. If one member of the group makes an error the rest try to hide it. If one member opposes one of in their camp they attack. And ultimately they never really get to the heart of the issue.

At the same time there are Calvinists on this forum who carefully consider Scripture, who can look at opposing views for what they are rather than the characterization they want them to be. But they rarely get caught up in the debates here (they know it is a debate that cannot be won or lost).
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Jon, my heart pumps camel water for you.
 
Reynolds

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Because as, someone mentioned yesterday, that is only one piece of the puzzle. And that is also a sentence with absolutely no context.
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You don't need the context, but It is in the context of a Calvinistic commentary on Salvation by Grace alone Through Faith alone. It's not an out of context sentence. The group of CALVINISTS ON HERE, have accused both myself, @Revmitchell , and many others of "works based salvation" for saying one has to accept the free gift of Salvation. Here, J.M. says "reach out" to accept salvation and that is OK? Maybe J.M. is just ignorant or does not understand Calvinism???

It came from J.M. Commentry series. Vol 1 Romans. Chapter 4 vv3-5
 
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You don't need the context, but It is in the context of a Calvinistic commentary on Salvation by Grace alone Through Faith alone. It's not an out of context sentence. The group of CALVINISTS ON HERE, have accused both myself, @Revmitchell , and many others of "works based salvation" for saying one has to accept the free gift of Salvation. Here, J.M. says "reach out" to accept salvation and that is OK? Maybe J.M. is just ignorant or does not understand Calvinism???

It came from J.M. Commentry series. Vol 1 Romans. Chapter 4 vv3-5
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I believe they will say you could not reach out. unless you were first regenerated. Once you are regenerated. You have the ability to believe which is the work of God. and are justified.
 
Reynolds

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Eternally Grateful said:
I believe they will say you could not reach out. unless you were first regenerated. Once you are regenerated. You have the ability to believe which is the work of God. and are justified.
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Will be interesting to see what they say because so far they are avoiding it.

There has been a pattern on here for years of the same behavior. A non cal says exactly what a Calvinist says and the Arminian is Ignorant and does not understand Calvinism. A Calvinist say the same thing .....Crickets.
 
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