Did Adam Have a Free Will?

[JesusFan]

When God made Himself seen to Moses, he couldn't see His face it would have killed him.

So either it was a preincarnate appearance of Christ that Moses seen, or he actually seen the Father.

If it was the Father, "No man hath seen God at any time" would mean that no man has ever seen the Father in all His Glory.

Personally I believe the Jehovah God of the OT is Jesus Christ, and that is who Moses seen.

The One who appeared to Adam and Eve in the garden, to Abrraham and Moses, and as the Angel of Yahweh to me were all the Preincarnated God the Son

 

[JesusFan]

Good thing that I'm not an open theist. The Bible tells me that God has foreknowledge and is sovereign. It also tells me that human beings are able to make the right choice or the wrong choice. Just like scripture doesn't give us all the details on the nature of the Trinity, it doesn't give us all the details about how God works behind the scenes to accomplish His purposes. As you pointed out, Sodom would have repented, meaning that they had the ability to do so.

Spiritual dead sinners like we all once were cannot just decide to will themselves back to being alive again

 

[Aaron]

As you pointed out, Sodom would have repented, meaning...

...predestination is not according to 'foreknowledge' as you understand it.

that they had the ability to do so.

...did they, though? Would it have been a true conversion, or a conversion like that of Ninevah at the preaching of Jonah?

 

[kyredneck]

This is what I hear you saying. His plan was predestined. NOT us.

This (the pronouns) has been pointed out to @Charlie24 before, but his severe CDS blinds him.

 

[Charlie24]

Still hearing the method was predestined, not us.

It's more like WE were predestined for the plan. We were predestine for something, to be conformed to the image of God.

We were predestined to be conformed through His plan.

So it is an election, but not the election as in the Calvinist theory.

 

[Charlie24]

It's more like WE were predestined for the plan. We were predestine for something, to be conformed to the image of God.

We were predestined to be conformed through His plan.

So it is an election, but not the election as in the Calvinist theory.

The theory that we were predestined by God for salvation (as in the Calvinist theory) is not there in those verses.

That is a read in, an assumption. It's rank error!

We were chosen before the foundation of the world to be saved and conformed through His plan, not chosen as to who will or will not be saved.

 

[Charlie24]

The theory that we were predestined by God for salvation (as in the Calvinist theory) is not there in those verses.

That is a read in, an assumption. It's rank error!

We were chosen before the foundation of the world to be saved and conformed through His plan, not chosen as to who will or will not be saved.

So who are the chosen before the foundation of the world to be saved and conformed according to His plan of redemption?

John 3:16

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

 

[Charlie24]

So who are the chosen before the foundation of the world to be saved and conformed according to His plan of redemption?

John 3:16

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

I'm telling you guys, it's a choice that you must make to accept His gift or reject it!

It's a very dangerous place to be if think He has made that choice for you.

 

[37818]

Why the need to make the simple difficult?

 

[JesusFan]

It's more like WE were predestined for the plan. We were predestine for something, to be conformed to the image of God.

We were predestined to be conformed through His plan.

So it is an election, but not the election as in the Calvinist theory.

Except Jesus died in the place of, on the behalf of individual sinners, not a plan

 

[Charlie24]

Why the need to make the simple difficult?

It's a hard thing to say but it's true.

All rejection of the truth is self-righteousness.

It was the problem of the Pharisee's, the problem of the Jews today, the problem of the Atheist, and it's the problem of the Calvinist.

 

[37818]

Except Jesus died in the place of, on the behalf of individual sinners, not a plan

1 Peter 1:20-21, Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

 

[JesusFan]

1 Peter 1:20-21, Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

Yes, Jesus and His cross was foreordained before even the Fall happened