The One who appeared to Adam and Eve in the garden, to Abrraham and Moses, and as the Angel of Yahweh to me were all the Preincarnated God the Son
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Did Adam Have a Free Will?
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Spiritual dead sinners like we all once were cannot just decide to will themselves back to being alive again
...predestination is not according to 'foreknowledge' as you understand it.
...did they, though? Would it have been a true conversion, or a conversion like that of Ninevah at the preaching of Jonah?
It's more like WE were predestined for the plan. We were predestine for something, to be conformed to the image of God.
We were predestined to be conformed through His plan.
So it is an election, but not the election as in the Calvinist theory.
The theory that we were predestined by God for salvation (as in the Calvinist theory) is not there in those verses.
That is a read in, an assumption. It's rank error!
We were chosen before the foundation of the world to be saved and conformed through His plan, not chosen as to who will or will not be saved.
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So who are the chosen before the foundation of the world to be saved and conformed according to His plan of redemption?
John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
I'm telling you guys, it's a choice that you must make to accept His gift or reject it!
It's a very dangerous place to be if think He has made that choice for you.
Except Jesus died in the place of, on the behalf of individual sinners, not a plan
It's a hard thing to say but it's true.
All rejection of the truth is self-righteousness.
It was the problem of the Pharisee's, the problem of the Jews today, the problem of the Atheist, and it's the problem of the Calvinist.
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1 Peter 1:20-21, Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
Yes, Jesus and His cross was foreordained before even the Fall happened
So Christ didn't die for sinners. His death didn't actually save anyone. It just opened hyssop dispensaries where sinners can walk in and save themselves.
37818
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False conclusion.
What are you talking about, Aaron? Where did this come from?
Christ dying on the Cross was God's plan from before the foundation of the world, to redeem man from his sins.
Those who God knew would be saved were predestined to this plan of redemption.
Christ died for all as John plainly told us, but only those who choose to believe the Gospel and accept Christ as their Savior will benefit from His death.
From your cascading posts describing what it is that Christ actually did on the Cross. He didn't save anyone in particular. He just satisfied a penalty, and 'made a way' where folks can save themselves.
It need not be determined. Merely recognized. There is a difference between deciding to allow something to happen and determining that something should happen.
Anyone able to show me where it says God wanted Adam to sin?
I’m certainly glad God’s thoughts are higher than man’s.
Reformed theology is like Job’s friends. It sounds like good advice, but it isn’t applied rightly.
No one can save themselves, Aaron! If we could there would have been no need for Christ to take our sins upon Himself.
It seems to be the opinion of everyone who has a problem with "free will" that we are saving ourselves.
But that's probably because the Calvinist scholars are telling you that, and they themselves are ignorant to "free will."
In their case it's a willful ignorance!