Did Arafat die of aids?

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Here is a thred on the IRA topic

http://www.baptistboard.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/18/2488.html?

To impugne Irish Catholics in general because of the supposed actions of one member of a rogue group of criminal thugs is a racist generalisation.

I don't have a clue about "homosexual practices being widespread" among Arabs. It would not surprise me and it would be typical of the sins of the lost if it it true.

Islam is bad enough on its own. Millions are ensnared in its vile trap. We need not base our criticism on rumours and inuendos. If LE is accusing me of defending Arafat she is sadly mistaken. At this time there is NO hard evidence of AIDS. A few rumours propegated by Israel Insider and National Review are all that we have. These are both pro-Isreal publications and are hardly unbiased.

I still contend that Arafat is the Father of Modern Terrorism. I was chilled to the bone when he made his infamous "Olive Branch or Guns" speech to the UN in 1972 (I think it was 72). That set the stage for Khadafi, bin Laden, Hussein, and others. I stand by that contention. But I don't have any evidence that he died of AIDS.

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[ November 22, 2004, 01:09 AM: Message edited by: C4K ]

 

[corinne]

Originally posted by church mouse guy:
From David Frum on National Review online:

'Speaking of media bias, here’s a question you won’t hear in our big papers or on network TV: Does Yasser Arafat have AIDS?

'We know he has a blood disease that is depressing his immune system. We know that he has suddenly dropped considerable weight – possibly as much as 1/3 of all his body weight. We know that he is suffering intermittent mental dysfunction. What does this sound like?

'Former Romanian intelligence chief Ion Pacepa tells in his very interesting memoirs that the Ceaucescu regime taped Arafat’s orgies with his body guards. If true, Arafat would a great deal to conceal from his people and his murderously anti-homosexual supporters in the Islamic world.

'Before airlifting Arafat to Paris, French Foreign Minister Michel Barnier promised to “stand by” him. Was that why Arafat chose to be treated in France rather in any of the fraternal Arab countries that supposedly support his movement – because he could trust the French to protect his intimate secrets?'

You trust David Frum to inform you? I know the man, I met him in London (where he spends a great deal of time) and I'd rather trust Mickey Mouse.

Corinne

 

[corinne]

Originally posted by church mouse guy:
Who is defending the Arafat? I merely wrote that he plays second fiddle to the Irish Catholics in the field of terrorism. Others have said that I should not have posted information that he probably died of aids from homosexual activity because, like Stalin, Arafat has a little girl. Personally, I believe that Arafat did die of aids because of the effort to suppress the cause of death.

Your last assumption is truly ridiculous if the reason you give is what generated it. Arafat went to France because no other country with civilised medicine could welcome him and ensure his safety. France's laws forbid doctors to talk about private details, that is all.

Whether he died of Aids or not, why does that matter to you? When Sharon is going to die, as much as I dislike the man, I would not approve of his enemies trying to bring discredit using sexual innuendos.

Both men are murderers. Ariel Sharon as much as Arafat. Remember Sabra and Chatila, the palestinian refugee camps, infamous as the site of an horrendous massacre carried out by an Israeli allied militia during the period of 16-18 September 1982 which resulted in the death and mutilation of over 1000 Palestinian refugees, the victims were mainly children and women as all their men had been forced to leave Beirut during the evacuation of the PLO over the previous two months. Sharon was then Defense Minister.

1000 dead in two days !

I think that when both sides start murdering civilians, there is something terribly wrong going on.

Arafat might have been a terrorist, but a terrorist can be some other person's hero, depending on which side of the fence you are. ASk the palestinians whose wives and kids were slaughtered by Sharon. How can they trust Israel's prime minister today, whose name is Ariel Sharon?

You can ask the impossible sometimes, but you cannot expect people to comply. Ask the mothers of those who have died in Iraq. I bet most of them who voted for Bush before their son died are now seriously reviewing their political orientation.

And so they should.

Corinne

[ November 23, 2004, 11:14 AM: Message edited by: Gina L ]

 

[corinne]

Originally posted by church mouse guy:
Sorry but I don't know the difference between the two organizations. I assume the Real IRA is the terrorists organization because they supplied the bombmakers on the Bank. By the way, I have read that homosexual practices are widespread among the Arabs--what do you think?

Well, Morocco is reputed for providing young boys to rich homosexual tourists. But so are Greece and Turkey and almost all poor countries.

Homosexual practices are widespread everywhere anyway. I don't know about the US but I bet the percentage is close to 10% of the population. I don't think it is as much as that in Arab countries.

Corinne

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Originally posted by church mouse guy:
By the way, I have read that homosexual practices are widespread among the Arabs--what do you think?

I think this is a little hypocritical. Homosexuality is also rampant among republican political appointments in the last presidential term.

Arafat was a muderous, vile, contemptable terrorist. Is that not enough to earn him absolute contempt. Why dredge up rumours and inuendos?

 

[corinne]

Originally posted by C4K:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by church mouse guy:
By the way, I have read that homosexual practices are widespread among the Arabs--what do you think?

I think this is a little hypocritical. Homosexuality is also rampant among republican political appointments in the last presidential term.

Arafat was a muderous, vile, contemptable terrorist. Is that not enough to earn him absolute contempt. Why dredge up rumours and inuendos? </font>[/QUOTE]Arafat is dead and because he was not a Christian, he will not be saved.

Ariel Sharon is jewish and is not a believer in Christ either, so he will not be saved either unless he converts (which might happen but which I doubt will happen).

I find it ironically fitting that they both could spend eternal life together in hell.

Whether they were murderers, terrorists or just heroes to their people does not matter.

Corinne

 

[church mouse guy]

Sorry C4K but you lose me when you use British spelling. As for the attack on Bush, I think that the CP has already exhausted that line of attack unless you agree with them that homosexuals should not be given government jobs. Bush's re-election buries that issue, but I will add that I think that he should ignore sodomites as they are Democrats like Blacks, Jews, and Muslims.

I don't think that the information on Arafat is based upon rumors, etc., as you charge, but upon educated observations from released information about his medical condition. There does seem to be a political coverup here. If you notice, even the Arabs in Gaza and the Bank say that they want to know how he died--ha, ha!

As for your defense of the Irish, I still believe that they perfected the most deadly form of terrorism. Lord Mountbatten's death refutes your position.

As for the idea that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, Arafat murdered many of his own as well as anyone else unlucky enough to fall within the range of his capabilities. Arafat and others in Islam threaten not only the USA but also Europe. If Iran has the atomic bomb and the missiles to deliver it, then Paris becomes a target just as much as Israel. So it is France that now is on the line with the fall of Spain. France has a huge Arab population and no one knows where there loyalty lies. France would be well advised to forget dreams of empire and build up today's military to defend France from Islamic terrorism on the march worldwide and willing to attack children, women, and handicapped.

 

[church mouse guy]

Originally posted by corinne:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by church mouse guy:
From David Frum on National Review online:

'Speaking of media bias, here’s a question you won’t hear in our big papers or on network TV: Does Yasser Arafat have AIDS?

'We know he has a blood disease that is depressing his immune system. We know that he has suddenly dropped considerable weight – possibly as much as 1/3 of all his body weight. We know that he is suffering intermittent mental dysfunction. What does this sound like?

'Former Romanian intelligence chief Ion Pacepa tells in his very interesting memoirs that the Ceaucescu regime taped Arafat’s orgies with his body guards. If true, Arafat would a great deal to conceal from his people and his murderously anti-homosexual supporters in the Islamic world.

'Before airlifting Arafat to Paris, French Foreign Minister Michel Barnier promised to “stand by” him. Was that why Arafat chose to be treated in France rather in any of the fraternal Arab countries that supposedly support his movement – because he could trust the French to protect his intimate secrets?'

You trust David Frum to inform you? I know the man, I met him in London (where he spends a great deal of time) and I'd rather trust Mickey Mouse.

Corinne </font>[/QUOTE]Have to disagree, unfortunately. There has been a boycott against Disney for many years. Mickey Mouse may be a nice guy but the Disney Corp. has gone overboard. Some are saying that after we secure Iraq, we are going to take back Hollywood--who knows?

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Originally posted by church mouse guy:
Sorry C4K but you lose me when you use British spelling.

Sorry. CMG, I missed this completely. Unless it is just to point out something I misspelled .

I also missed the "freedom fighter" comment. Did I say something that led you to beleive that I supported any so called "freedom fighter?"

 

[church mouse guy]

I like American orthography--that's all.

The freedom fighter was my term in response to Corinne's statement:

Arafat might have been a terrorist, but a terrorist can be some other person's hero, depending on which side of the fence you are. ASk [sic] the palestinians whose wives and kids were slaughtered by Sharon. How can they trust Israel's prime minister today, whose name is Ariel Sharon?

 

[LadyEagle]

If LE is accusing me of defending Arafat she is sadly mistaken.

I wasn't. I was referring to corrine's post. Then I realized she is French. She also assumes France is the only country where medical records are protected by privacy laws. She is mistaken. The US has very stringent privacy laws regarding medical records, so to make the statement that France is the ONLY country blah, blah, is simply not true.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Whew - at least there is somebody you guys disagree with more than you do me .

 

[corinne]

Originally posted by LadyEagle:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />If LE is accusing me of defending Arafat she is sadly mistaken.

I wasn't. I was referring to corrine's post. Then I realized she is French. She also assumes France is the only country where medical records are protected by privacy laws. She is mistaken. The US has very stringent privacy laws regarding medical records, so to make the statement that France is the ONLY country blah, blah, is simply not true. </font>[/QUOTE]ER... I do not recall saying that France was the ONLY country to not release private medical files to people other than family. Show me where I said that, please.

Corinne

 

[corinne]

Originally posted by church mouse guy:
Sorry C4K but you lose me when you use British spelling. As for the attack on Bush, I think that the CP has already exhausted that line of attack unless you agree with them that homosexuals should not be given government jobs. Bush's re-election buries that issue, but I will add that I think that he should ignore sodomites as they are Democrats like Blacks, Jews, and Muslims.

I don't think that the information on Arafat is based upon rumors, etc., as you charge, but upon educated observations from released information about his medical condition. There does seem to be a political coverup here. If you notice, even the Arabs in Gaza and the Bank say that they want to know how he died--ha, ha!

As for your defense of the Irish, I still believe that they perfected the most deadly form of terrorism. Lord Mountbatten's death refutes your position.

As for the idea that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, Arafat murdered many of his own as well as anyone else unlucky enough to fall within the range of his capabilities. Arafat and others in Islam threaten not only the USA but also Europe. If Iran has the atomic bomb and the missiles to deliver it, then Paris becomes a target just as much as Israel. So it is France that now is on the line with the fall of Spain. France has a huge Arab population and no one knows where there loyalty lies. France would be well advised to forget dreams of empire and build up today's military to defend France from Islamic terrorism on the march worldwide and willing to attack children, women, and handicapped.

"France is now on the line with the fall of Spain", you write....Er... beg your pardon but France has suffered in the hands of arab terrorists for a very long time. France, especially Paris, has had several terrorist bomb attacks, the islamic threat is nothing new to the French.

France has 5 million arabs on its soil, a big chunk of them wants to islamize France. I am not that worried, I know my people (I am a French citizen) enough to know that they will not allow the invasion to go too far. We are a Christian country (even if the majority of people are catholics).

I don't know why you talk about a French empire, our last emperor was Napoleon, that was a long time ago. What France wants is a United States of Europe, which would be an ally of the United States of America, and a counter power to the Middle-Eastern, Asian and African-Arab threats (they are different cultures from ours, sometimes barbaric ones as well, not at all our cup of tea). The interests of America and Europe coincide, believe me.

Corinne

[ November 23, 2004, 11:11 AM: Message edited by: Gina L ]

 

[corinne]

Originally posted by church mouse guy:
Bush......should ignore sodomites as they are Democrats like Blacks, Jews, and Muslims.

ER... do I understand well what you wrote, Churchmouse? Democrats are sodomites, and blacks, jews and muslims, as well??? Could you please clarify this sentence for me? I want to make sure I understood you right before letting off steam.
Thanks

Corinne

[ November 23, 2004, 11:11 AM: Message edited by: Gina L ]

 

[corinne]

Originally posted by corinne:

France would be well advised to ......build up today's military to defend France from Islamic terrorism on the march worldwide and willing to attack children, women, and handicapped.

Churchmouse,

France's military capability is doing fine, thank you. Like you we have the nuclear weapon.

We are fighting the Islamic integrists with a better weapon - so far - : laicity.

You should rather turn your scorn towards England, who is integrating Islamic extremists in a much more worrying fashion, as veiled women are allowed to work in public places, and proselytise their religious traditions. Unlike the French, the British are very secular and a little unaware of the threat Islam poses in their country. At least in France we know how to fight back the ennemy, whereas the English have little clue (maybe only the Scottish could be trusted to resist).

Corinne

[ November 23, 2004, 11:12 AM: Message edited by: Gina L ]

 

[LadyEagle]

Originally posted by corinne:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by LadyEagle:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />If LE is accusing me of defending Arafat she is sadly mistaken.

I wasn't. I was referring to corrine's post. Then I realized she is French. She also assumes France is the only country where medical records are protected by privacy laws. She is mistaken. The US has very stringent privacy laws regarding medical records, so to make the statement that France is the ONLY country blah, blah, is simply not true. </font>[/QUOTE]ER... I do not recall saying that France was the ONLY country to not release private medical files to people other than family. Show me where I said that, please.

Corinne </font>[/QUOTE]Okay, I misread what you wrote. Here is what you wrote:

"Arafat went to France because no other country with civilised medicine could welcome him and ensure his safety. France's laws forbid doctors to talk about private details, that is all. "

So, you are saying Egypt and Saudi Arabia and Jordan don't have civilized medicine and would not welcome Arafat, protect his privacy, cover up that he was possibly homosexual, or ensure his safety? That's strange.

Don't you think it is more reasonable to assume that Arafat went to France because his wife lives in Paris?

 

[corinne]

Originally posted by LadyEagle:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by corinne:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by LadyEagle:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />If LE is accusing me of defending Arafat she is sadly mistaken.

I wasn't. I was referring to corrine's post. Then I realized she is French. She also assumes France is the only country where medical records are protected by privacy laws. She is mistaken. The US has very stringent privacy laws regarding medical records, so to make the statement that France is the ONLY country blah, blah, is simply not true. </font>[/QUOTE]ER... I do not recall saying that France was the ONLY country to not release private medical files to people other than family. Show me where I said that, please.

Corinne </font>[/QUOTE]Okay, I misread what you wrote. Here is what you wrote:

"Arafat went to France because no other country with civilised medicine could welcome him and ensure his safety. France's laws forbid doctors to talk about private details, that is all. "

So, you are saying Egypt and Saudi Arabia and Jordan don't have civilized medicine and would not welcome Arafat, protect his privacy, cover up that he was possibly homosexual, or ensure his safety? That's strange.

Don't you think it is more reasonable to assume that Arafat went to France because his wife lives in Paris? </font>[/QUOTE]No. Suha Arafat now lives in Tunis, from what I heard.

To welcome Arafat, a country had to satisfy tweo conditions: have one of the best medical facilities available AND be able to ensure his safey. Only France was judged suitable, or he'd have been flown somewhere else.

Corinne

 

[church mouse guy]

Originally posted by corinne:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by church mouse guy:
Bush......should ignore sodomites as they are Democrats like Blacks, Jews, and Muslims.

ER... do I understand well what you wrote, Churchmouse? Democrats are sodomites, and blacks, jews and muslims, as well??? Could you please clarify this sentence for me? I want to make sure I understood you right before letting off steam.
Thanks

Corinne
http://www.christianresistance.com </font>[/QUOTE]With pleasure. There are 4 groups in the USA who vote Democrat--they are gays and lesbians (sodomites), Blacks, Jews, and Muslims.

The Constitution Party is complaining that some homosexuals got government appointments from Bush. If so, then Bush should re-consider his politics as he will not get their votes and there would be no other reason to appoint them.

Jews are leaving the Democrat Party as hardcore leftists are anti-Israel and anti-Jewish. However, Bush only won a minority of Jewish votes. Blacks and gays and lesbians are over 90% Democrat. Muslims were over 90% Democrat, also, in 2004.

As for France, I don't think France is well-enough prepared militarily to defend against Iran if Iran is allowed to develop missiles or has already. The mistake made by some French is to think that Islam will give you a pass indefinitely. America has a lot of dead buried in France but I could not say that France and the USA have the same interests and values. France has dreams of the past but her future is clouded. Hopefully, the French will wake up before it is too late.

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by church mouse guy:
Have to disagree, unfortunately. There has been a boycott against Disney for many years. Mickey Mouse may be a nice guy but the Disney Corp. has gone overboard. Some are saying that after we secure Iraq, we are going to take back Hollywood--who knows?

Since the Disneyland Resort is in conservative Orange County, and since Walt Disney Studios is in Burbank, it won't get you far (and, given that much of the industry is now located in Vancouver, you might want to take it up with the Canadians first). The problem with the Walt Disney Corporation is that they've gotten so large that there is simply no way for them to appease the general public as well as their stockholders. When they do make quality family friendly entertainment, such as the recent "The Incredibles" and "National Treasure", everyone goes to see it, but no one cares. But when they come out with a movie that has an R rating, few will go see it, but everyone talks about it.

Let's face it, while Walt Disney is by no means the company that its namesake founded, we like to have something to complain about, and companies like WalMart, Disney, etc, make easy targets for us. In our eyes, they can do no right, and deep down, we don't want them to.