canadyjd
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And all of North, Central, and South America should go back to the Native Indians.
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Did Europe's Latest (& Little Noticed) Anti-Russia Move Just Push The World Closer To WW3?
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canadyjd
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Perhaps you could point to the part of video where he claims NATO had an agreement with Russia not to expand eastward, and/or the US desires to put middles in Russias border and/or the US threatened to destroy Russias economy if they stood in our way.
Given that just because he says it, doesn’t make it true, I would still need some sort of written evidence these things took place.
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canadyjd
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So many factually inaccurate statements it was hard to keep up.
First, claiming this invasion is not a “war”, but a “special military operation” is simply repeating Russian propaganda. Bombs are flying, people are dying. Millions of refugees. Entire cities destroyed. It’s a war.
Second: he claimed Russia was “liberating” the “newly independent” republics in the Donbas region and that Ukraine “occupied” those areas. Who decided they were “independent”? Russia? Did the people vote? When?
This man is regurgitating Russian propaganda, plain and simple. Just from the first video, I know he cannot be trusted to give an unbiased assessment of Ukraine.
I’ll try again. Give me a credible source that NATO has an agreement with Russia not to expand eastward, that the US wants to put missiles in Ukraine and that the US threatened to destroy the Russian economy if Russia stood in our way.
So far, you have missed the mark badly.
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No, you are wrong. Russia's goal is not to take over Ukraine. The plain fact is they only invaded with 200,000. If their goal was to conquer the whole country they would have used at least 500,000 if not million. That is a plain, true fact. Can you explain why they only used 200,000 troops? Why so little numbers when Russia could have sent a lot more? It is a special operation. You are wrong. If it was total war it would be so much different. Here you are wrong. Russia has limited number of troops and regions. Russia owns the air. If it was total war the Ukrainian President would be in hiding, not able to be on the phone with anyone because as soon as he was he'd be bombed. You fail on this point. You may want it to be full scale war, but it is not. Here, you clearly don't know the situation.
The US bought it fair and square.
canadyjd
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I never claimed Russia was good at waging war. That doesn’t mean Russia didn’t invade Ukraine, or that it isn’t a war. All this nonsense about what Russia could do if they wanted to is just a poor excuse to cover for stupid decisions early in the war.
The Russian military has clearly under performed especially early in this WAR. They were pushed put of several regions by fierce opposition. Their planes and helicopters were shot down, so now they are limiting their use and relying on artillery. They lost many armored vehicles. Their flagship was sank and destroyed.
Again, please don’t change the subject..
Please give a credible source for the statement s that NATO has an agreement with Russia not to expand eastward, the US wants to put missiles in Ukraine and the US threatened to destroy the Russian economy if they didn’t get out of our way.
While you are at it, give some credible evidence that the Donbas regions have declared themselves to be independent republics. Quoting Putin propaganda isn’t credible. When did the people in those areas vote for independence and what was the totals.
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Konstantin
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Yes, according to this logic.)))
Konstantin
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Does Manhattan too?
That was the Dutch. The city was New Amsterdam before it became New York City.
Konstantin
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All the first settlers from Europe were not called Americans.)))
Yes that's another reason you can see that western media is lying. They have been saying that Russia is losing, that Ukraine is inflicting loss after loss. You would think Russia would have lost by now, according to western reports. Yet you will find Russia is advancing their goals. As far as Russian ships being sunk and command centers hit that is because of American intelligence helping Ukraine, its very missiles being supplied by the US. In other words, our intelligence, or ci0, is helping Ukraine kill Russian's, which is real good for world war three. Great for relations. Way to go bid0n. Way to go billionaires! Your making the world a safer place, promoting such peaceful things! Not! Dumber than a box of rocks! Kill as many Russians as possible, make them bleed, but with Ukrainian blood. Let Ukraine do the dirty work, even though they loose way many more than the Russians do, bid0n and his masters think it's worth it to get many more Ukrainians killed just to make Russia bleed some. I'll bet Russia does not forget. All to please the most corrupt group in the world; western billionaires! Certainly evil dwells among them. Dwells with us.
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Pick a card, any card. Not THAT card!
Anything from non-Western sources is discounted. So, yes, no evidence would be found for people not seriously looking for it.
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Nope, just sources that are Kremlin outlets.
That pretty much leaves you with "our" side. BBC, DW, etc. are also under our influence. There is an almost complete polarization of news sources.
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Tom, have you looked at the sources I cite? I'd accept Indian, South African, etc sources.
Yes, I did. Most of them.I did say "almost". Indian sources are often more in the middle.
I am only saying that neither WaPo nor, say, TASS should be automatically ignored.
Tom, I'm married to a former citizen of the former Soviet Union. So, my view of Kremlin sources is prejudiced. Pravda is not Novesti. Novesti is not Pravda.
canadyjd
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All you have to do is show a written agreement between NATO and Russia to not expand eastward. Something that major would have signing ceremonies, speeches etc. can you produce it or not? When did that happen? Who was involved?
If the people of the Donbas declared independence from Ukraine, that would require a vote of the people. When was that referendum held? What were the results? Can you produce this evidence or not?
Regurgitating Russian propaganda is not giving unbiased facts that can be checked and verified.
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