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Featured Did God Make Angels to Be Creative Beings?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Scripture More Accurately, Jan 17, 2021.

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    Rev 4:11 KJV - Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

    Col 1:16 KJV - For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
     
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    Satan is the one who originated the practice of lying. Neither God nor humans originated that practice. Jesus said that the devil was the father of lying. When He made that statement, Jesus taught that the devil originated the doing of something that had never previously occurred in the universe.
     
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    These verses speak of God as the ultimate Creator of those things that He actually created. They do not show that He is the Creator of everything that has ever been made, regardless of who actually made it.
     
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    You are trying to guess the "origin" of sin. This is something that the Bible does not tell us, nor is it wise to try to speculate, as it will become dangerous, since The Good Lord created everyone, including the devil!
     
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    What things?
     
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    I am not trying to guess about the "origin" of sin. Inspired, inerrant, infallible revelation given to us by God tells us that Jesus spoke the following words about the devil: "When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it" (John 8:44).

    Jesus said that the devil was the father of speaking lies. This is not guessing; it is infallible truth.
     
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    So the devil created sin?
     
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    The devil is the father of speaking a lie. He originated doing so. God did not teach him to do so, and he did not learn to do so by imitating humans.
     
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    The devil is the father of the practice of speaking a lie. Those are Jesus' words. You have to believe what Jesus says.
     
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    Did God Make Angels to Be Creative Beings?

    To be or not to be.
    That is the question.
    God doesn't answer it.
    So I make no suggestion.
     
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    I have asked a simple question to you can you answer it?
     
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    Not true. Jesus Himself said that the devil is the father of speaking a lie.
     
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    I answered it by directing you back to Scripture. If you cannot believe or refuse to believe what Jesus said, there isn't anything more for us to talk about.

    What did Jesus teach about the devil when He said, "When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it" (John 8:44)?
     
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    Ok you can't answer it. No problem
     
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    Did God Make Angels to Be Creative Beings?

    To be or not to be.
    That is the question.
    God doesn't answer it.
    So I make no suggestion.


    It is true. I, in fact, did make no suggestion.
     
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    Well, the angel who appeared to Gideon in Judges 6:11 seems to have a pretty good sense of humor.
     
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    How Gideon responded when the angel departed (Judg. 6:21-22) shows that was not just an angel; it was the angel of the Lord, who in other passages is worshiped as Deity.
     
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    Scripture makes plain that evil men use creativeness in deceiving people to accomplish their wicked ends.

    KJV Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

    SCR Ephesians 4:14 ἵνα μηκέτι ὦμεν νήπιοι, κλυδωνιζόμενοι καὶ περιφερόμενοι παντὶ ἀνέμῳ τῆς διδασκαλίας, ἐν τῇ κυβείᾳ τῶν ἀνθρώπων, ἐν πανουργίᾳ, πρὸς τὴν μεθοδείαν τῆς πλάνης·

    BGT Ephesians 4:14 ἵνα μηκέτι ὦμεν νήπιοι, κλυδωνιζόμενοι καὶ περιφερόμενοι παντὶ ἀνέμῳ τῆς διδασκαλίας ἐν τῇ κυβείᾳ τῶν ἀνθρώπων, ἐν πανουργίᾳ πρὸς τὴν μεθοδείαν τῆς πλάνης,

    The same cunning craftiness that humans employ is the very same thing that the serpent employed to beguile Eve:

    KJV 2 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

    SCR 2 Corinthians 11:3 φοβοῦμαι δὲ μήπως, ὡς ὁ ὄφις Εὔαν ἐξηπάτησεν ἐν τῇ πανουργίᾳ αὐτοῦ, οὕτω φθαρῇ τὰ νοήματα ὑμῶν ἀπὸ τῆς ἁπλότητος τῆς εἰς τὸν Χριστόν.

    BGT 2 Corinthians 11:3 φοβοῦμαι δὲ μή πως, ὡς ὁ ὄφις ἐξηπάτησεν Εὕαν ἐν τῇ πανουργίᾳ αὐτοῦ, φθαρῇ τὰ νοήματα ὑμῶν ἀπὸ τῆς ἁπλότητος [καὶ τῆς ἁγνότητος] τῆς εἰς τὸν Χριστόν.

    Furthermore, the same evil creativity employed by humans is what the devil employs to accomplish his ends:

    Ephesians 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

    SCR Ephesians 6:11 ἐνδύσασθε τὴν πανοπλίαν τοῦ Θεοῦ, πρὸς τὸ δύνασθαι ὑμᾶς στῆναι πρὸς τὰς μεθοδείας τοῦ διαβόλου.

    BGT Ephesians 6:11 ἐνδύσασθε τὴν πανοπλίαν τοῦ θεοῦ πρὸς τὸ δύνασθαι ὑμᾶς στῆναι πρὸς τὰς μεθοδείας τοῦ διαβόλου·

    This comparison of Scripture passages that use the exact same Greek words for crafty humans and the devil shows that the devil is an evil creative angelic being who uses crafty schemes to accomplish his evil ends.
     
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    You do realize Revelation an extended metaphor, correct?
     
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    No, I do not "realize" that is true. Revelation is not an extended metaphor; it is divine revelation of literal truth. It does employ figures of speech, but there is no basis for saying that the book is an extended metaphor.
     
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