I did not realize that! THis is copied into my documents how do I cite it?
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Did Jesus Go to Hell after He Died?
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Ok...do you know where I could get some of his writings? Our teacher said he use to have a website..but he took it down.
All I had to do was copy and paste paragraphs from your post in the search bar and google becomes your friend but here is some help
http://www.onthewing.org/user/Esc_Did Jesus Go to Hell - Root.pdf
http://www.precious-testimonies.com/Exhortations/u-z/VoiceOfGod.htm
You can also google Dave Root
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I did..but I can not find anymore of his writings!
Jesus was in Hades.
Peter says that this passage (Ps. 16:10) is speaking of Christ in Acts 2.
In order to not abandon Christ's soul in Hades, Christ's soul had to have been there.
"[A]s Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth" (Matt. 12:40, KJV).
"For you will not abandon my soul to Sheol,
or let your holy one see corruption" (Psalm 16:10, ESV).
"For you will not abandon my soul to Sheol,
or let your holy one see corruption" (Psalm 16:10, ESV).
Peter says that this passage (Ps. 16:10) is speaking of Christ in Acts 2.
"he [David] foresaw and spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption" (Acts 2:31, ESV, bold emphasis mine).
In order to not abandon Christ's soul in Hades, Christ's soul had to have been there.
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Jesus said that he would be with that thief on the cross in Paradise:
Paul says that he himself was "caught up into paradise" (2Cor. 12:3, ESV).
Some might say that paradise today is in the third heaven, because of the preceding verse, where Paul says that he was "caught up to the third heaven" (ESV).
Jesus preached to the spirits in prison, to those who were dead while He was in Hades (1Pet. 3:19; 4:6).
He led a "host of captives" (Eph. 4:8, ESV) with Him into the third heaven.
Those of Israel, who had to inherit that promise of the heavenly inheritance (1Chron. 29:15; Lev. 25:23; Heb. 9:15), were raised at this event, fulfilling Hosea 6:2:
They are now "[living] before God" (Hos. 6:2, ESV).
They are the firstfruits offered up to God by Christ, the high priest (1Cor. 15:20; Lev. 23:10-11; Heb. 2:17):
According to Leviticus 23, the priest was to "wave the sheaf before the Lord...on the day after the Sabbath" (v. 11, ESV, bold emphasis mine).
This is what the high priest, Christ, did with many of the elect of Sheol, as we find in Matthew 28 and 27:52-53, for "after the Sabbath, toward the dawn of the first day of the week", "an angel of the Lord descended from heaven and came and rolled back the stone and sat on it", and said "[Christ] has risen, as he said" (Matthew 28:1-2, 6, ESV, bold emphasis mine).
And he said to him, “Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise” (Luke 23:43, ESV).
Paul says that he himself was "caught up into paradise" (2Cor. 12:3, ESV).
Some might say that paradise today is in the third heaven, because of the preceding verse, where Paul says that he was "caught up to the third heaven" (ESV).
Jesus preached to the spirits in prison, to those who were dead while He was in Hades (1Pet. 3:19; 4:6).
He led a "host of captives" (Eph. 4:8, ESV) with Him into the third heaven.
Matthew 27 ESV
52 The tombs also were opened. And many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised, 53 and coming out of the tombs after his resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many.
52 The tombs also were opened. And many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised, 53 and coming out of the tombs after his resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many.
Those of Israel, who had to inherit that promise of the heavenly inheritance (1Chron. 29:15; Lev. 25:23; Heb. 9:15), were raised at this event, fulfilling Hosea 6:2:
ESV
After two days he will revive us;
on the third day he will raise us up,
that we may live before him.
After two days he will revive us;
on the third day he will raise us up,
that we may live before him.
They are now "[living] before God" (Hos. 6:2, ESV).
They are the firstfruits offered up to God by Christ, the high priest (1Cor. 15:20; Lev. 23:10-11; Heb. 2:17):
1 Corinthians 15 ESV
20 But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.
Leviticus 23 ESV
10 “Speak to the people of Israel and say to them, When you come into the land that I give you and reap its harvest, you shall bring the sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest to the priest, 11 and he shall wave the sheaf before the Lord, so that you may be accepted. On the day after the Sabbath the priest shall wave it.
Hebrews 2 ESV, bold emphasis mine
17 Therefore he had to be made like his brothers in every respect, so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.
20 But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.
Leviticus 23 ESV
10 “Speak to the people of Israel and say to them, When you come into the land that I give you and reap its harvest, you shall bring the sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest to the priest, 11 and he shall wave the sheaf before the Lord, so that you may be accepted. On the day after the Sabbath the priest shall wave it.
Hebrews 2 ESV, bold emphasis mine
17 Therefore he had to be made like his brothers in every respect, so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.
According to Leviticus 23, the priest was to "wave the sheaf before the Lord...on the day after the Sabbath" (v. 11, ESV, bold emphasis mine).
This is what the high priest, Christ, did with many of the elect of Sheol, as we find in Matthew 28 and 27:52-53, for "after the Sabbath, toward the dawn of the first day of the week", "an angel of the Lord descended from heaven and came and rolled back the stone and sat on it", and said "[Christ] has risen, as he said" (Matthew 28:1-2, 6, ESV, bold emphasis mine).
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Hades can also mean the grave - buried.
Where was Jesus' body? In the grave.
Jesus' body did not decay nor was His body left in the grave.
Why must His soul had to have been there? Does not the fact that His body was not left in the grave to this day make better sense?
Yes, Paradise is heaven - not Hades.
Hades and Sheol are the same place (cf. Acts 2:27; Psalm 16:10):
Acts 2 ESV, bold emphasis mine
25 For David says concerning him,
“‘I saw the Lord always before me,
for he is at my right hand that I may not be shaken;
26 therefore my heart was glad, and my tongue rejoiced;
my flesh also will dwell in hope.
27 For you will not abandon my soul to Hades,
or let your Holy One see corruption.
28 You have made known to me the paths of life;
you will make me full of gladness with your presence.’
Psalm 16 ESV, bold emphasis mine
For you will not abandon my soul to Sheol,
or let your holy one see corruption.
25 For David says concerning him,
“‘I saw the Lord always before me,
for he is at my right hand that I may not be shaken;
26 therefore my heart was glad, and my tongue rejoiced;
my flesh also will dwell in hope.
27 For you will not abandon my soul to Hades,
or let your Holy One see corruption.
28 You have made known to me the paths of life;
you will make me full of gladness with your presence.’
Psalm 16 ESV, bold emphasis mine
For you will not abandon my soul to Sheol,
or let your holy one see corruption.
Seeing as Jacob knew that he would meet his son Joseph in Sheol:
"I shall go down to Sheol to my son, mourning" (Gen. 37:35, ESV).
And seeing as Joseph wouldn't have had a grave if he, in Jacob's mind, was "without doubt torn to pieces" (Gen. 37:33, ESV), it is correct that Sheol is the same place as Hades, and that this place is separate from the grave.
If I told you that I can't be abandoned to live in Canada, it is assumed that I first had to live in Canada, correct?
"David speaketh concerning [Christ]", "thou wilt not leave my soul in [Hades]" (Acts 2:25, 27, KJV).
You are disregarding the historical meaning of the word.
Jesus' body was in the grave, was it not?
So Jacob thought he would meet his son in a grave that, in his mind, never could exist?
Ann,
When's the last time you walked by a graveyard and could hear dead bodies speak?
Isaiah 14 ESV
9 Sheol beneath is stirred up
to meet you when you come;
it rouses the shades to greet you,
all who were leaders of the earth;
it raises from their thrones
all who were kings of the nations.
10 All of them will answer
and say to you:
‘You too have become as weak as we!
You have become like us!’
When's the last time you walked by a graveyard and could hear dead bodies speak?
Isaiah 14 ESV
9 Sheol beneath is stirred up
to meet you when you come;
it rouses the shades to greet you,
all who were leaders of the earth;
it raises from their thrones
all who were kings of the nations.
10 All of them will answer
and say to you:
‘You too have become as weak as we!
You have become like us!’
Jesus' soul (not body), was in Hades/Sheol.
When was the last time you walked by a cedar tree and hear it speak?
Verse 8 "The cypresses rejoice at you,
the cedars of Lebanon, saying,
‘Since you were laid low,
no woodcutter comes up against us.’
Hey Ann,
I see where you're coming from. This can be explained though.
The king of Babylon is likened to a tree. This is not an uncommon allegory in scripture. Ezekiel does this. If the whole chapter of 17 is read, this will be seen (I'm not going to post the whole chapter). I will quote some of the chapter and other scripture though:
Ezekiel 17 ESV
22 Thus says the Lord God: “I myself will take a sprig from the lofty top of the cedar and will set it out. I will break off from the topmost of its young twigs a tender one, and I myself will plant it on a high and lofty mountain. 23 On the mountain height of Israel will I plant it, that it may bear branches and produce fruit and become a noble cedar. And under it will dwell every kind of bird; in the shade of its branches birds of every sort will nest. 24 And all the trees of the field shall know that I am the Lord; I bring low the high tree, and make high the low tree, dry up the green tree, and make the dry tree flourish. I am the Lord; I have spoken, and I will do it.”
Ezekiel 31 KJV, bold emphasis mine
3 Behold, the Assyrian was a cedar in Lebanon with fair branches, and with a shadowing shroud, and of an high stature; and his top was among the thick boughs.
Luke 23 KJV
31 For if they do these things in a green tree, what shall be done in the dry?
22 Thus says the Lord God: “I myself will take a sprig from the lofty top of the cedar and will set it out. I will break off from the topmost of its young twigs a tender one, and I myself will plant it on a high and lofty mountain. 23 On the mountain height of Israel will I plant it, that it may bear branches and produce fruit and become a noble cedar. And under it will dwell every kind of bird; in the shade of its branches birds of every sort will nest. 24 And all the trees of the field shall know that I am the Lord; I bring low the high tree, and make high the low tree, dry up the green tree, and make the dry tree flourish. I am the Lord; I have spoken, and I will do it.”
Ezekiel 31 KJV, bold emphasis mine
3 Behold, the Assyrian was a cedar in Lebanon with fair branches, and with a shadowing shroud, and of an high stature; and his top was among the thick boughs.
Luke 23 KJV
31 For if they do these things in a green tree, what shall be done in the dry?
If we interpret these trees of verse 8 to be rulers, we are not out of context of the chapter, for we find in verse 9-10 that it is the kings that are doing the speaking:
Isaiah 14 ESV, bold emphasis mine
8 The cypresses rejoice at you,
the cedars of Lebanon, saying,
‘Since you were laid low,
no woodcutter comes up against us.’
9 Sheol beneath is stirred up
to meet you when you come;
it rouses the shades to greet you,
all who were leaders of the earth;
it raises from their thrones
all who were kings of the nations.
10 All of them will answer
and say to you:
‘You too have become as weak as we!
You have become like us!’
8 The cypresses rejoice at you,
the cedars of Lebanon, saying,
‘Since you were laid low,
no woodcutter comes up against us.’
9 Sheol beneath is stirred up
to meet you when you come;
it rouses the shades to greet you,
all who were leaders of the earth;
it raises from their thrones
all who were kings of the nations.
10 All of them will answer
and say to you:
‘You too have become as weak as we!
You have become like us!’
You still haven't addressed the Jacob-Joseph problem your interpretation poses though. This reason is probably the biggest reason why I don't take your view. I haven't ever (in my life) received a cogent answer for this problem. People either don't understand the problem, or they do, and they just refuse to submit to the fact that Sheol and the grave are separate places. As long as I can't find a cogent answer, I'm remaining with my view that Sheol and the grave are separate places: Sheol being where the Soul goes, the grave being where the body goes.
Jacob did use a different word for the place of Rachel's grave (Genesis 35:20), then the place where he would meet his son (Gen. 37:35).
Genesis 35 ESV, bold emphasis mine
20 and Jacob set up a pillar over her tomb ["qbuwrah"]. It is the pillar of Rachel's tomb ["qbuwrah"], which is there to this day.
Genesis 37 ESV, bold emphasis mine
35 All his sons and all his daughters rose up to comfort him, but he refused to be comforted and said, “No, I shall go down to Sheol ["sh'owl"] to my son, mourning.” Thus his father wept for him.
20 and Jacob set up a pillar over her tomb ["qbuwrah"]. It is the pillar of Rachel's tomb ["qbuwrah"], which is there to this day.
Genesis 37 ESV, bold emphasis mine
35 All his sons and all his daughters rose up to comfort him, but he refused to be comforted and said, “No, I shall go down to Sheol ["sh'owl"] to my son, mourning.” Thus his father wept for him.
Why, if he believed that somehow, he would meet his son in a grave that couldn't exist, would he use a different word than the place that his wife's body went to, who he believed was not torn in pieces?
Scripture does use the word "qbuwrah" to denote the grave, the place where the body goes:
Genesis 47:30 KJV, bold emphasis mine
But I will lie with my fathers, and thou shalt carry me out of Egypt, and bury me in their buryingplace ["qbuwrah"]. And he said, I will do as thou hast said.
2 Kings 9:28 KJV, bold emphasis mine
And his servants carried him in a chariot to Jerusalem, and buried him in his sepulchre ["qbuwrah"] with his fathers in the city of David.
But I will lie with my fathers, and thou shalt carry me out of Egypt, and bury me in their buryingplace ["qbuwrah"]. And he said, I will do as thou hast said.
2 Kings 9:28 KJV, bold emphasis mine
And his servants carried him in a chariot to Jerusalem, and buried him in his sepulchre ["qbuwrah"] with his fathers in the city of David.
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Well, if Sheol is only hell and not the grave, then Jacob knew his son was going to hell and that he was too?
Hey again Ann
Our english word "hell" should be likened to the partition in Sheol that the wicked went to. There was a chasm fixed between the partition of Sheol for the elect, and the partition of Sheol for the wicked, as seen in Luke 16:
Luke 16:25-26 ESV
now he is comforted here, and you are in anguish. And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, in order that those who would pass from here to you may not be able, and none may cross from there to us.’
now he is comforted here, and you are in anguish. And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, in order that those who would pass from here to you may not be able, and none may cross from there to us.’
It should be noted that they were in Hades (Sheol):
"in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side" (Luke 16:23, ESV, bold emphasis mine).
Hey again Ann
Our english word "hell" should be likened to the partition in Sheol that the wicked went to. There was a chasm fixed between the partition of Sheol for the elect, and the partition of Sheol for the wicked, as seen in Luke 16:
Luke 16:25-26 ESV
now he is comforted here, and you are in anguish. And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, in order that those who would pass from here to you may not be able, and none may cross from there to us.’
It should be noted that they were in Hades (Sheol):
"in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side" (Luke 16:23, ESV, bold emphasis mine).
Hades has multiple meanings and one of them is grave. See 1 Corinthians 15:55.