Did Jesus preach to spirits in Paradise?

[loDebar]

1Pe 3:18
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
1Pe 3:19
By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

1Pe 4:5
Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.
1Pe 4:6
For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

We know of the separation of the righteous and unrighteous

Luk 16:25
But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
Luk 16:26
And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would comefrom thence.

We know Jesus went to Paradise before resurrection

Luk 23:43¶
And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.


This would solve or complete the OT righteous ones in Paradise knowing and believing Jesus.

They certainly could not enter Heaven until the Sacrifice was made.

 

[Saved-By-Grace]

1Pe 3:18
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
1Pe 3:19
By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

1Pe 4:5
Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.
1Pe 4:6
For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

We know of the separation of the righteous and unrighteous

Luk 16:25
But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
Luk 16:26
And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would comefrom thence.

We know Jesus went to Paradise before resurrection

Luk 23:43¶
And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.


This would solve or complete the OT righteous ones in Paradise knowing and believing Jesus.

They certainly could not enter Heaven until the Sacrifice was made.

Are you suggesting that after physical death, people might be saved? While it is true that the Greek verb, κηρύσσω, used in 1 Peter 3:19, can is used for the "preaching of the Gospel Message", it does not mean this in every instance, and is also used for "proclaiming" something, with no reference to salvation. Hebrews 9:27 tells is, "And as it is appointed unto men once and for all to die, but after this the judgment"; with no option for anyone to have a post-death conversion, whoever they might be. Repentant sinners are saved only in this life, and unrepentant sinners are sadly damned eternally.

 

[Deacon]

1 Enoch 6-15 describes how the sons of God (called “Watchers” in that ancient book) who committed the offense of Genesis 6:1–4 were imprisoned under the earth for what they had done. That imprisonment is behind the reference to the “spirits in prison” in 1 Peter 3:19.

In the 1 Enoch story, the Watchers appealed their sentence and asked Enoch, the biblical prophet who never died (Gen 5:21–24), to intercede with God for them (1 Enoch 6:4). God rejected their petition and Enoch had to return to the imprisoned Watchers and give them the bad news (1 Enoch 13:1–3; 14:4–5). The point to catch is that Enoch visits the spiritual world in the “bad section of town” where the offending Watchers are being held. …

Just as Jesus was the second Adam for Paul, Jesus is the second Enoch for Peter. Enoch descended to the imprisoned fallen angels to announce their doom. First Peter 3:14–22 has Jesus descending to these same “spirits in prison” to tell them they were still defeated, despite his crucifixion. God’s plan of salvation and kingdom rule had not been derailed—in fact, it was right on schedule. The crucifixion actually meant victory over every demonic force opposed to God. This victory declaration is why 1 Peter 3:14–22 ends with Jesus risen from the dead and set at the right hand of God—above all angels, authorities and powers.

Michael S. Heiser, The Unseen Realm: Recovering the Supernatural Worldview of the Bible, First Edition. (Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2015), 337-338.

 

[Yeshua1]

Are you suggesting that after physical death, people might be saved? While it is true that the Greek verb, κηρύσσω, used in 1 Peter 3:19, can is used for the "preaching of the Gospel Message", it does not mean this in every instance, and is also used for "proclaiming" something, with no reference to salvation. Hebrews 9:27 tells is, "And as it is appointed unto men once and for all to die, but after this the judgment"; with no option for anyone to have a post-death conversion, whoever they might be. Repentant sinners are saved only in this life, and unrepentant sinners are sadly damned eternally.

I think that the word would be better translated proclaiming, that Jesus was telling that He was rising , and that he was the risen Lord and God!

 

[loDebar]

I think that the word would be better translated proclaiming, that Jesus was telling that He was rising , and that he was the risen Lord and God!

but 1 Peter 4 6 say He preached to the dead?

 

[TCassidy]

Christ preached, through Noah, to the people who died in the flood and are now in hades.

 

[loDebar]

Are you suggesting that after physical death, people might be saved? While it is true that the Greek verb, κηρύσσω, used in 1 Peter 3:19, can is used for the "preaching of the Gospel Message", it does not mean this in every instance, and is also used for "proclaiming" something, with no reference to salvation. Hebrews 9:27 tells is, "And as it is appointed unto men once and for all to die, but after this the judgment"; with no option for anyone to have a post-death conversion, whoever they might be. Repentant sinners are saved only in this life, and unrepentant sinners are sadly damned eternally.

maybe a one time affair to deal with the OT righteous who were in Paradise and not yet allowed in Heaven

 

[loDebar]

Christ preached, through Noah, to the people who died in the flood and are now in hades.

The next verses that use Noah references show how long-suffering God is

 

[Saved-By-Grace]

1 Enoch 6-15 describes how the sons of God (called “Watchers” in that ancient book) who committed the offense of Genesis 6:1–4 were imprisoned under the earth for what they had done. That imprisonment is behind the reference to the “spirits in prison” in 1 Peter 3:19.

In the 1 Enoch story, the Watchers appealed their sentence and asked Enoch, the biblical prophet who never died (Gen 5:21–24), to intercede with God for them (1 Enoch 6:4). God rejected their petition and Enoch had to return to the imprisoned Watchers and give them the bad news (1 Enoch 13:1–3; 14:4–5). The point to catch is that Enoch visits the spiritual world in the “bad section of town” where the offending Watchers are being held. …

Just as Jesus was the second Adam for Paul, Jesus is the second Enoch for Peter. Enoch descended to the imprisoned fallen angels to announce their doom. First Peter 3:14–22 has Jesus descending to these same “spirits in prison” to tell them they were still defeated, despite his crucifixion. God’s plan of salvation and kingdom rule had not been derailed—in fact, it was right on schedule. The crucifixion actually meant victory over every demonic force opposed to God. This victory declaration is why 1 Peter 3:14–22 ends with Jesus risen from the dead and set at the right hand of God—above all angels, authorities and powers.

Michael S. Heiser, The Unseen Realm: Recovering the Supernatural Worldview of the Bible, First Edition. (Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2015), 337-338.

The Book of Enoch is not inspired by the Holy Spirit, and therefore not relevant in what it says. We must stick only with the Word of God.

 

[Saved-By-Grace]

Christ preached, through Noah, to the people who died in the flood and are now in hades.

This is not what Peter is saying here, as "By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison", cannot refer to Noah. φυλακή is never used of Ἅιδης.

 

[Saved-By-Grace]

maybe a one time affair to deal with the OT righteous who were in Paradise and not yet allowed in Heaven

I think that there is no way that anyone can really know what this passage means

 

[loDebar]

Like I have said before, Scripture is given for our benefit. If we do not understand it is our problem, not God's

I think it relates to the importance of the spiritual verse the flesh.

If this is the OT saints, they should have all scripture explained to them of Jesus, like the two on Emmaus Rd.

 

[Saved-By-Grace]

but 1 Peter 4 6 say He preached to the dead?

The Greek is simply, "Because, for this end was the gospel preached to the dead also", which must refer to those who are dead at the time Peter wrote, but were alive when the were preached to. I see no clear Biblical teaching on any post-death conversions, or the hope of any

 

[Saved-By-Grace]

Like I have said before, Scripture is given for our benefit. If we do not understand it is our problem, not God's

do you then understand what Peter is saying here?

 

[loDebar]

The Greek is simply, "Because, for this end was the gospel preached to the dead also", which must refer to those who are dead at the time Peter wrote, but were alive when the were preached to. I see no clear Biblical teaching on any post-death conversions, or the hope of any

Do you mean those that had recently died before the resurrection and did not know of the completed salvation?

 

[loDebar]

do you then understand what Peter is saying here?

I made it a point not to have to understand it to accept what it says. I can only speculate and wonder why it is here

 

[Saved-By-Grace]

Do you mean those that had recently died before the resurrection and did not know of the completed salvation?

"was the Gospel preached" is in the Greek, "εὐηγγελίσθη", which is the first aorist passive indicative, which would mean that which "had been done in time past", and not something in the future. It was while these dead were living, that they had the Gospel preached to them.

 

[loDebar]

"was the Gospel preached" is in the Greek, "εὐηγγελίσθη", which is the first aorist passive indicative, which would mean that which "had been done in time past", and not something in the future. It was while these dead were living, that they had the Gospel preached to them.

It was in the past as being told by Peter, years later.

Why did those dead have a second chance?

 

[Deacon]

The Book of Enoch is not inspired by the Holy Spirit, and therefore not relevant in what it says. We must stick only with the Word of God.

Tell that to Peter and Jude.

Rob

 

[loDebar]

I think it relates to these who were faithful but did not know of Jesus

Heb 11:1¶
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Heb 11:2
For by it the elders obtained a good report.

Heb 11:39
And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
Heb 11:40
God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.