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Did Judas repent?
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AITB.
Don't want to try to make the Bible say anything? Now that was the correct way out. (The back door)
"When did I ever focus on you Ken?" I think post 149 from you, might show that.
"Is Ken the human that God has picked to reveal his truth to?"
The Disciples were the False Christs, Not as being or pretending to be Jesus, But their Doctrine was not CHRIST-LIKE. Jesus told them they did not know what manner of Spirit they were of, and they went on teaching the same thing they believed when they wanted to destroy the town. That God would destroy those that rejected Jesus.
Jesus said "THEN" would arise False Christs. That was for what would follow AFTER Jesus was crucified.
No one knows the day or hour. Sorry, that is not Scriptural.
(MATTHEW 24:36) But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. (KJV)
I am neither a man, Nor a angel OF Heaven. I am a Angel on earth. I added the Cubit.
(AMOS 3:7) Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets. (KJV)
God does NOTHING without showing it first.
(MATTHEW 6:27) Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature? (KJV)
(LUKE 12:25) And which of you with taking thought can add to his stature one cubit? (KJV)
(LUKE 12:26) If ye then be not able to do that thing which is least, why take ye thought for the rest? (KJV)
(LUKE 12:31) But rather seek ye the kingdom of God; and all these things shall be added unto you. (KJV)
ALL THESE THINGS, Including getting the CUBIT ADDED UNTO YOU.
(REVELATION 21:17) And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel. (KJV)
According to the measure of a man. PLUS the CUBIT moves to Angel status. Those are the 144 men with Judas which measured up to 144 Angels. Given charge over Jesus, and in their hands they bear Him up. Upon a cross at Calvary.
Here is the TOP level of man status, Exceed it and you get the Cubit added and move to Angel status.
(JOHN 15:13) Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. (KJV)
Jesus said who would not know the day or hour, and Angels on earth was not among those listed.
Is this too hard for you AITB?
My time Schedule is right on time. And the verses I used to show them are from God. I plan on keeping the Schedule, and sharing it with those hopefully that have eyes to see.
I can see your reasoning as far as forgetting what I believe. But don't start questioning what you believe by using the Scriptures. Your house might need a bit of repair.
SWEAR NOT AT ALL. I like that one, That means not to Promise, No Oath, No Vow, No Covenant, No Pledge, and no statements like "I'm NEVER NEVER NEVER going to." ETC. For all these things bind a person Jesus set free. Binding mainly with pride. "I said I would not, so I can not go against what I said." Etc
God has a habit of having people break those "I will never never never." statements.
Clear as day. But I can see in Darkness as well. You would think you would use searching the Scriptures if these things were true as what would determine if you would accept doctrine or not. Not just that it is different.
EagleLives911.
Sorry. Lucifer is looking at Jesus in hell. Satan is a name for the Word of God. The Usage is not the same.
Satan desires to sift Peter. This is God's words:
(AMOS 9:9) For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth. (KJV)
Satan moved God against Job without a cause. These are God's words that moved God.
(PSALMS 7:9) Oh let the wickedness of the wicked come to an end; but establish the just: for the righteous God trieth the hearts and reins. (KJV)
Cause of not, Job gets tested.
If I had a agenda AGAINST Baptists would I not then attack Baptist sound doctrine piece by piece?
Ever see me say anything about not being a Baptist? that you ought to drop church membership? that you should not fellowship together?
Beliefs have reactions. If I was against the Baptists I would be attacking the denomination.
What I write on, I reference. What I ask of others is they search the Scripture if these things be so. Is that too much to ask? Is that not we are suppost to be doing anyway?
GINA:
Correct as far as being killed and they think they do God a Service. Let me explain something. All of God's words were fulfilled the day of the cross and established as TRUTH.
There are Future similitudes of the day of the cross. And there are future things that could happen to us seen established as Truth. The words Jesus spoke is what God gave Him to speak. This was fulfilled in Christ. He is the One they killed and thought they did God a Service.
Sunset to Midnight is the First Day, as the day is made a week. Midnight to Sunrise is the second day. Jesus just took sin. He is Spiritually DEAD. Or as in hell on the second PHYSICAL day which is a FUTURE SIMILITUDE of that established the day of the cross.
Sunrise to noon is the Third day. "With His stripes we are healed." or NOW we are ALIVE to God, we are healed, we are as RESURRECTED from the DEAD. The Third PHYSICAL day is a FUTURE SIMILITUDE for that which was Established the day of the cross. a day seen as three pictures. A Similitude for three physical days.
First picte as a day with 4 6-hour periods
Second picture as a day with 2 12-hour periods
Third picture as a day with 1 24-hour period.
4 beasts with 6-wings, or 2 witnesses, or 24 Elders, take your pick?
(ISAIAH 30:26) Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the Lord bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound. (KJV)
The day of the cross is as SEVEN DAYS. It is the Creation story, it is all the sevens in the book of Revelation, it is the seven times that Nebuchadnezzar is cast out, The Four beasts with 6-wings is seen in Daniel, In Ezekiel, In Hosea, all similitudes for the day of the cross when all the Similitudes, prophecies, Parables, Visions, Etc all come together and are established as TRUTH.
Jesus is New Jerusalem, The Book of Revelation is about the day of the cross. Jesus died that day=No more sorrow, no more tears, Etc. THEN Jesus is resurrected. "Behold I make all things new=new tears, new sorrows, etc.
(REVELATION 21:4) And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. (KJV)
(REVELATION 21:5) And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. (KJV)
New death is a SIMILITUDE for not being alive as seeing God clearly yet. The day of the cross as a river, "Let tears run down like a river." the day as 7 eyes on the Lamb in Revelation. Sorrow being fulfilled the day of the cross as a time period.
STAR: Here is the Sword that pierced Mary's heart. all fulfilled the day of the cross but it shows in His ministry. How many people have had deep thoughts on these words "WOMAN, WHAT HAVE I TO DO WITH YOU?"
One other thing. The Topic was "Did Judas repent?". Judas did go to the Priests and throw down the money. But think on this. Like Parents that turn their child into the police because they found drugs. The Parents may well repent of doing that. But was it wrong to do?
Did Judas need to REPENT, or was He just feeling guilty because of what his FRIEND was going through? And Scripture shows Jesus saw Judas as a friend.
Judas was fulfilling the law. Under the law Jesus was to be turned into the Priests. Jesus is the Lion of the Tribe of Judah, But the Priesthood was under the law, All of the tribe of Levi, any Stranger that drew near the Priesthood was to be put to death.
"We have a law, and by that Law He ought to die."
(ACTS 2:23) Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: (KJV)
Peter is wrong about "By wicked hands" for they are without fault before the Throne of God. For the SACRIFICE had to be offered by those without sin. And they were cleansed by Jesus taking upon Himself the sin of the World.
Peter never saw sin ended in Daniel 9:24 and still is dealing with it as present in the world.
ken1burton
Don't want to try to make the Bible say anything? Now that was the correct way out. (The back door)
"When did I ever focus on you Ken?" I think post 149 from you, might show that.
"Is Ken the human that God has picked to reveal his truth to?"
The Disciples were the False Christs, Not as being or pretending to be Jesus, But their Doctrine was not CHRIST-LIKE. Jesus told them they did not know what manner of Spirit they were of, and they went on teaching the same thing they believed when they wanted to destroy the town. That God would destroy those that rejected Jesus.
Jesus said "THEN" would arise False Christs. That was for what would follow AFTER Jesus was crucified.
No one knows the day or hour. Sorry, that is not Scriptural.
(MATTHEW 24:36) But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. (KJV)
I am neither a man, Nor a angel OF Heaven. I am a Angel on earth. I added the Cubit.
(AMOS 3:7) Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets. (KJV)
God does NOTHING without showing it first.
(MATTHEW 6:27) Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature? (KJV)
(LUKE 12:25) And which of you with taking thought can add to his stature one cubit? (KJV)
(LUKE 12:26) If ye then be not able to do that thing which is least, why take ye thought for the rest? (KJV)
(LUKE 12:31) But rather seek ye the kingdom of God; and all these things shall be added unto you. (KJV)
ALL THESE THINGS, Including getting the CUBIT ADDED UNTO YOU.
(REVELATION 21:17) And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel. (KJV)
According to the measure of a man. PLUS the CUBIT moves to Angel status. Those are the 144 men with Judas which measured up to 144 Angels. Given charge over Jesus, and in their hands they bear Him up. Upon a cross at Calvary.
Here is the TOP level of man status, Exceed it and you get the Cubit added and move to Angel status.
(JOHN 15:13) Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. (KJV)
Jesus said who would not know the day or hour, and Angels on earth was not among those listed.
Is this too hard for you AITB?
My time Schedule is right on time. And the verses I used to show them are from God. I plan on keeping the Schedule, and sharing it with those hopefully that have eyes to see.
I can see your reasoning as far as forgetting what I believe. But don't start questioning what you believe by using the Scriptures. Your house might need a bit of repair.
SWEAR NOT AT ALL. I like that one, That means not to Promise, No Oath, No Vow, No Covenant, No Pledge, and no statements like "I'm NEVER NEVER NEVER going to." ETC. For all these things bind a person Jesus set free. Binding mainly with pride. "I said I would not, so I can not go against what I said." Etc
God has a habit of having people break those "I will never never never." statements.
Clear as day. But I can see in Darkness as well. You would think you would use searching the Scriptures if these things were true as what would determine if you would accept doctrine or not. Not just that it is different.
EagleLives911.
Sorry. Lucifer is looking at Jesus in hell. Satan is a name for the Word of God. The Usage is not the same.
Satan desires to sift Peter. This is God's words:
(AMOS 9:9) For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth. (KJV)
Satan moved God against Job without a cause. These are God's words that moved God.
(PSALMS 7:9) Oh let the wickedness of the wicked come to an end; but establish the just: for the righteous God trieth the hearts and reins. (KJV)
Cause of not, Job gets tested.
If I had a agenda AGAINST Baptists would I not then attack Baptist sound doctrine piece by piece?
Ever see me say anything about not being a Baptist? that you ought to drop church membership? that you should not fellowship together?
Beliefs have reactions. If I was against the Baptists I would be attacking the denomination.
What I write on, I reference. What I ask of others is they search the Scripture if these things be so. Is that too much to ask? Is that not we are suppost to be doing anyway?
GINA:
Correct as far as being killed and they think they do God a Service. Let me explain something. All of God's words were fulfilled the day of the cross and established as TRUTH.
There are Future similitudes of the day of the cross. And there are future things that could happen to us seen established as Truth. The words Jesus spoke is what God gave Him to speak. This was fulfilled in Christ. He is the One they killed and thought they did God a Service.
Sunset to Midnight is the First Day, as the day is made a week. Midnight to Sunrise is the second day. Jesus just took sin. He is Spiritually DEAD. Or as in hell on the second PHYSICAL day which is a FUTURE SIMILITUDE of that established the day of the cross.
Sunrise to noon is the Third day. "With His stripes we are healed." or NOW we are ALIVE to God, we are healed, we are as RESURRECTED from the DEAD. The Third PHYSICAL day is a FUTURE SIMILITUDE for that which was Established the day of the cross. a day seen as three pictures. A Similitude for three physical days.
First picte as a day with 4 6-hour periods
Second picture as a day with 2 12-hour periods
Third picture as a day with 1 24-hour period.
4 beasts with 6-wings, or 2 witnesses, or 24 Elders, take your pick?
(ISAIAH 30:26) Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the Lord bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound. (KJV)
The day of the cross is as SEVEN DAYS. It is the Creation story, it is all the sevens in the book of Revelation, it is the seven times that Nebuchadnezzar is cast out, The Four beasts with 6-wings is seen in Daniel, In Ezekiel, In Hosea, all similitudes for the day of the cross when all the Similitudes, prophecies, Parables, Visions, Etc all come together and are established as TRUTH.
Jesus is New Jerusalem, The Book of Revelation is about the day of the cross. Jesus died that day=No more sorrow, no more tears, Etc. THEN Jesus is resurrected. "Behold I make all things new=new tears, new sorrows, etc.
(REVELATION 21:4) And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. (KJV)
(REVELATION 21:5) And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. (KJV)
New death is a SIMILITUDE for not being alive as seeing God clearly yet. The day of the cross as a river, "Let tears run down like a river." the day as 7 eyes on the Lamb in Revelation. Sorrow being fulfilled the day of the cross as a time period.
STAR: Here is the Sword that pierced Mary's heart. all fulfilled the day of the cross but it shows in His ministry. How many people have had deep thoughts on these words "WOMAN, WHAT HAVE I TO DO WITH YOU?"
One other thing. The Topic was "Did Judas repent?". Judas did go to the Priests and throw down the money. But think on this. Like Parents that turn their child into the police because they found drugs. The Parents may well repent of doing that. But was it wrong to do?
Did Judas need to REPENT, or was He just feeling guilty because of what his FRIEND was going through? And Scripture shows Jesus saw Judas as a friend.
Judas was fulfilling the law. Under the law Jesus was to be turned into the Priests. Jesus is the Lion of the Tribe of Judah, But the Priesthood was under the law, All of the tribe of Levi, any Stranger that drew near the Priesthood was to be put to death.
"We have a law, and by that Law He ought to die."
(ACTS 2:23) Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: (KJV)
Peter is wrong about "By wicked hands" for they are without fault before the Throne of God. For the SACRIFICE had to be offered by those without sin. And they were cleansed by Jesus taking upon Himself the sin of the World.
Peter never saw sin ended in Daniel 9:24 and still is dealing with it as present in the world.
ken1burton
Originally posted by Ken Burton (one between screen name:
AITB.
Don't want to try to make the Bible say anything? Now that was the correct way out. (The back door)
Are you saying I'm a coward? (Nobody calls me chicken!!!
)
I was simply looking for a way of escape that was clear...
"When did I ever focus on you Ken?" I think post 149 from you, might show that.
"Is Ken the human that God has picked to reveal his truth to?"
That wasn't meant to imply you were 'less' than anyone else. It was as much about the timing - that, why would God have hidden 'the truth' for so long - until you were here?
The Disciples were the False Christs, Not as being or pretending to be Jesus, But their Doctrine was not CHRIST-LIKE. Jesus told them they did not know what manner of Spirit they were of, and they went on teaching the same thing they believed when they wanted to destroy the town. That God would destroy those that rejected Jesus.
Jesus said "THEN" would arise False Christs. That was for what would follow AFTER Jesus was crucified.
No one knows the day or hour. Sorry, that is not Scriptural.
(MATTHEW 24:36) But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. (KJV)
You're right that I misquoted it - my apologies.
I am neither a man, Nor a angel OF Heaven. I am a Angel on earth.
Here we go again...not a man, huh? Guess what, Ken? There are only two options and therefore, if you're not a woman then you're a man!!!
I added the Cubit.
(AMOS 3:7) Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets. (KJV)
God does NOTHING without showing it first.
(MATTHEW 6:27) Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature? (KJV)
(LUKE 12:25) And which of you with taking thought can add to his stature one cubit? (KJV)
(LUKE 12:26) If ye then be not able to do that thing which is least, why take ye thought for the rest? (KJV)
(LUKE 12:31) But rather seek ye the kingdom of God; and all these things shall be added unto you. (KJV)
ALL THESE THINGS, Including getting the CUBIT ADDED UNTO YOU.
Ken, you are doing ridiculous things to Jesus' words here. It's very simple. You can't make yourself taller as an adult, no matter what you do. Period. That's what Jesus said and that's what he meant.
(REVELATION 21:17) And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel. (KJV)
According to the measure of a man. PLUS the CUBIT moves to Angel status. Those are the 144 men with Judas which measured up to 144 Angels. Given charge over Jesus, and in their hands they bear Him up. Upon a cross at Calvary.
Here is the TOP level of man status, Exceed it and you get the Cubit added and move to Angel status.
Now you're sounding like a Scientologist. They believe in this elevating one's status thing. It really messed things up when their elevated status leader died...how embarrassing...that he was really simply mortal after all...just like you and just like the rest of us.
(JOHN 15:13) Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. (KJV)
Jesus said who would not know the day or hour, and Angels on earth was not among those listed.
Is this too hard for you AITB?
It's not hard at all. It's just...wrong.
My time Schedule is right on time. And the verses I used to show them are from God. I plan on keeping the Schedule, and sharing it with those hopefully that have eyes to see.
I can see your reasoning as far as forgetting what I believe. But don't start questioning what you believe by using the Scriptures. Your house might need a bit of repair.
Guess what, Ken? I know I don't have all the answers and I never said I did. I'm not the one saying wild stuff that no-one else agrees with and claiming it's all in the Bible - "if you mix up the words enough" - to quote my atheist husband.
SWEAR NOT AT ALL. I like that one, That means not to Promise, No Oath, No Vow, No Covenant, No Pledge, and no statements like "I'm NEVER NEVER NEVER going to." ETC. For all these things bind a person Jesus set free. Binding mainly with pride. "I said I would not, so I can not go against what I said." Etc
God has a habit of having people break those "I will never never never." statements.
I rarely say things like that because I know I don't have all the answers. But sometimes I really really do know something. This is one of those times.
Clear as day. But I can see in Darkness as well.
Yeah right, Ken.
You would think you would use searching the Scriptures if these things were true as what would determine if you would accept doctrine or not. Not just that it is different.
Ken, the reason I know you're wrong is because I've searched them already...I've been a Christian for over 17 years and studied the Bible a lot.
You're wrong, wrong, wrong...
AITB
AITB.
Don't want to try to make the Bible say anything? Now that was the correct way out. (The back door)
Are you saying I'm a coward? (Nobody calls me chicken!!!
I was simply looking for a way of escape that was clear...
"When did I ever focus on you Ken?" I think post 149 from you, might show that.
"Is Ken the human that God has picked to reveal his truth to?"
That wasn't meant to imply you were 'less' than anyone else. It was as much about the timing - that, why would God have hidden 'the truth' for so long - until you were here?
The Disciples were the False Christs, Not as being or pretending to be Jesus, But their Doctrine was not CHRIST-LIKE. Jesus told them they did not know what manner of Spirit they were of, and they went on teaching the same thing they believed when they wanted to destroy the town. That God would destroy those that rejected Jesus.
Jesus said "THEN" would arise False Christs. That was for what would follow AFTER Jesus was crucified.
No one knows the day or hour. Sorry, that is not Scriptural.
(MATTHEW 24:36) But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. (KJV)
You're right that I misquoted it - my apologies.
I am neither a man, Nor a angel OF Heaven. I am a Angel on earth.
Here we go again...not a man, huh? Guess what, Ken? There are only two options and therefore, if you're not a woman then you're a man!!!
I added the Cubit.
(AMOS 3:7) Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets. (KJV)
God does NOTHING without showing it first.
(MATTHEW 6:27) Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature? (KJV)
(LUKE 12:25) And which of you with taking thought can add to his stature one cubit? (KJV)
(LUKE 12:26) If ye then be not able to do that thing which is least, why take ye thought for the rest? (KJV)
(LUKE 12:31) But rather seek ye the kingdom of God; and all these things shall be added unto you. (KJV)
ALL THESE THINGS, Including getting the CUBIT ADDED UNTO YOU.
Ken, you are doing ridiculous things to Jesus' words here. It's very simple. You can't make yourself taller as an adult, no matter what you do. Period. That's what Jesus said and that's what he meant.
(REVELATION 21:17) And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel. (KJV)
According to the measure of a man. PLUS the CUBIT moves to Angel status. Those are the 144 men with Judas which measured up to 144 Angels. Given charge over Jesus, and in their hands they bear Him up. Upon a cross at Calvary.
Here is the TOP level of man status, Exceed it and you get the Cubit added and move to Angel status.
Now you're sounding like a Scientologist. They believe in this elevating one's status thing. It really messed things up when their elevated status leader died...how embarrassing...that he was really simply mortal after all...just like you and just like the rest of us.
(JOHN 15:13) Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. (KJV)
Jesus said who would not know the day or hour, and Angels on earth was not among those listed.
Is this too hard for you AITB?
It's not hard at all. It's just...wrong.
My time Schedule is right on time. And the verses I used to show them are from God. I plan on keeping the Schedule, and sharing it with those hopefully that have eyes to see.
I can see your reasoning as far as forgetting what I believe. But don't start questioning what you believe by using the Scriptures. Your house might need a bit of repair.
Guess what, Ken? I know I don't have all the answers and I never said I did. I'm not the one saying wild stuff that no-one else agrees with and claiming it's all in the Bible - "if you mix up the words enough" - to quote my atheist husband.
SWEAR NOT AT ALL. I like that one, That means not to Promise, No Oath, No Vow, No Covenant, No Pledge, and no statements like "I'm NEVER NEVER NEVER going to." ETC. For all these things bind a person Jesus set free. Binding mainly with pride. "I said I would not, so I can not go against what I said." Etc
God has a habit of having people break those "I will never never never." statements.
I rarely say things like that because I know I don't have all the answers. But sometimes I really really do know something. This is one of those times.
Clear as day. But I can see in Darkness as well.
Yeah right, Ken.
You would think you would use searching the Scriptures if these things were true as what would determine if you would accept doctrine or not. Not just that it is different.
Ken, the reason I know you're wrong is because I've searched them already...I've been a Christian for over 17 years and studied the Bible a lot.
You're wrong, wrong, wrong...
AITB
K
ken1burton
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EagleLives911
Great. Did you also read the files on the Quran written there to show that it is the same God? Or do you use only one side of the Balances to judge by?
God uses seals in the Quran the same as God uses in the Bible. All the prophecies are lies till fulfilled. That is the lying spirit in 1-kings 22:20/23 that God sent. The Similitude is that God wants King ahab to go up and die in Battle. That is for the day of the cross and for Jesus to go up and willingly die to fulfill Prophecies.
(1KINGS 22:23) Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee. (KJV)
REMEMBER this is the Inspired word of God saying God sent a lying spirit. A similitude for the Prophecies are only Truth when they have been fulfilled, and not until.
So in the Quran. "If any were to preach that Allah would beget a Son, they preach a monsterous Falsehood."
As it is "Would beget" as a future event it is a Falsehood. Had it been written "HAS BEGOTTEN" a Son, it would not be Falsehood but Truth.
In the Quran: "If Allah were to beget a Son, the Heavens would rip apart."
Christ's days are as heaven, the day is made as seven days by Isaiah 30:26 so the Heavens are divided or ripped apart.
In the Quran: Allah would not need to beget a Son, He could just Decree One."
Jesus is the Son of David, the Body of Christ seen born the day of the cross, and becomes the SON OF GOD by DECREE.
(PSALMS 2:6) Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. (KJV)
(PSALMS 2:7) I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my son; this day have I begotten thee. (KJV)
Now for JEHOVAH:
(PSALMS 83:18) That men may know that thou, whose name alone is Jehovah, art the most high over all the earth. (KJV)
Jesus on the Cross has taken sin. God's eyes are purer then to look on iniquity. All have forsaken Jesus. He is THEN ALONE ALONE ALONE. Whose name ALONE is JEHOVAH. And Jesus is not ALONE anymore.
I went through quite a few verses in the Quran, one by one. They are on my web page. They are searchable.
As far as the name Allah being for the Moon God. They might have called the moon Allah (Arab word for God.) But when they found what God really was. They called the same God we know, Allah. If we spoke Arabic, we would use the Word Allah also. English uses the Word GOD. Spanish I think calls Him Dio. Still refering to God.
In the Old Testament, Abraham takes Isaac to offer Him as a Sacrifice.
In the Quran, Abraham takes Ishmael to offer Him as a Sacrifice.
They are similitudes, And the Quran says Allah speaks in Similitudes also. So either son can be used, God uses the son seen loved, and the Moslems see that as Ishmael.
Had God been writting to Woman Activist, He might have had Abraham take Sarah to offer her, or would it be Sarah take Abraham to offer him?
The day as 4 6-hour periods.
(EXODUS 3:15) And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations. (KJV)
1=Lord God of your Fathers, or Jesus as Lord God made Lord God by God almighty.
2=God of Abraham. Midnight to sunrise. The Similitude is Jesus has to dust off His shoes. The House of Israel did not receive Jesus, so the Disciples being the Dust (likened to seed of Abraham) that clings to His shoes had to be cast off.
Abraham's horror of great darkness is as Jesus takes sin. We are cleansed, Jesus has sin, He has no wedding Garment. All parables are for the day of the cross. He is CAST INT
UTER DARKNESS. He is SPEECHLESS. (like a sheep before the shearers, opened not His mouth.)
Noon to Sunset is as the God of Jacob, Wrestles with a man: Jesus has to allow Himself to die. or wrestles with self preservation. He does, then ESAU comes, Esau is EDOM, Edom is a desolate wilderness in Joel 3:19.
God hated Esau or the time Jesus had to be dead. Over Edom He cast off His shoe, Sin ended as Daniel 9:24 shows, we are on HOLY GROUND. Off with the Shoe. (shoes would have been too good a hint.)
Here is something that might help if any person shares with a Moslem. The Quran says Allah gave the Book to the people (Old Testament to the Jews) and the Gospel to the followers of Jesus (New Testament) and the Quran to the followers of Mohammad.
So tell them, Seeing Allah said He gave all three books, and that they are true. They have no reason not to read all three. for they are as love letters from God. Open their eyes a bit.
ken1burton
Great. Did you also read the files on the Quran written there to show that it is the same God? Or do you use only one side of the Balances to judge by?
God uses seals in the Quran the same as God uses in the Bible. All the prophecies are lies till fulfilled. That is the lying spirit in 1-kings 22:20/23 that God sent. The Similitude is that God wants King ahab to go up and die in Battle. That is for the day of the cross and for Jesus to go up and willingly die to fulfill Prophecies.
(1KINGS 22:23) Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee. (KJV)
REMEMBER this is the Inspired word of God saying God sent a lying spirit. A similitude for the Prophecies are only Truth when they have been fulfilled, and not until.
So in the Quran. "If any were to preach that Allah would beget a Son, they preach a monsterous Falsehood."
As it is "Would beget" as a future event it is a Falsehood. Had it been written "HAS BEGOTTEN" a Son, it would not be Falsehood but Truth.
In the Quran: "If Allah were to beget a Son, the Heavens would rip apart."
Christ's days are as heaven, the day is made as seven days by Isaiah 30:26 so the Heavens are divided or ripped apart.
In the Quran: Allah would not need to beget a Son, He could just Decree One."
Jesus is the Son of David, the Body of Christ seen born the day of the cross, and becomes the SON OF GOD by DECREE.
(PSALMS 2:6) Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. (KJV)
(PSALMS 2:7) I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my son; this day have I begotten thee. (KJV)
Now for JEHOVAH:
(PSALMS 83:18) That men may know that thou, whose name alone is Jehovah, art the most high over all the earth. (KJV)
Jesus on the Cross has taken sin. God's eyes are purer then to look on iniquity. All have forsaken Jesus. He is THEN ALONE ALONE ALONE. Whose name ALONE is JEHOVAH. And Jesus is not ALONE anymore.
I went through quite a few verses in the Quran, one by one. They are on my web page. They are searchable.
As far as the name Allah being for the Moon God. They might have called the moon Allah (Arab word for God.) But when they found what God really was. They called the same God we know, Allah. If we spoke Arabic, we would use the Word Allah also. English uses the Word GOD. Spanish I think calls Him Dio. Still refering to God.
In the Old Testament, Abraham takes Isaac to offer Him as a Sacrifice.
In the Quran, Abraham takes Ishmael to offer Him as a Sacrifice.
They are similitudes, And the Quran says Allah speaks in Similitudes also. So either son can be used, God uses the son seen loved, and the Moslems see that as Ishmael.
Had God been writting to Woman Activist, He might have had Abraham take Sarah to offer her, or would it be Sarah take Abraham to offer him?
The day as 4 6-hour periods.
(EXODUS 3:15) And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations. (KJV)
1=Lord God of your Fathers, or Jesus as Lord God made Lord God by God almighty.
2=God of Abraham. Midnight to sunrise. The Similitude is Jesus has to dust off His shoes. The House of Israel did not receive Jesus, so the Disciples being the Dust (likened to seed of Abraham) that clings to His shoes had to be cast off.
Abraham's horror of great darkness is as Jesus takes sin. We are cleansed, Jesus has sin, He has no wedding Garment. All parables are for the day of the cross. He is CAST INT
UTER DARKNESS. He is SPEECHLESS. (like a sheep before the shearers, opened not His mouth.)Noon to Sunset is as the God of Jacob, Wrestles with a man: Jesus has to allow Himself to die. or wrestles with self preservation. He does, then ESAU comes, Esau is EDOM, Edom is a desolate wilderness in Joel 3:19.
God hated Esau or the time Jesus had to be dead. Over Edom He cast off His shoe, Sin ended as Daniel 9:24 shows, we are on HOLY GROUND. Off with the Shoe. (shoes would have been too good a hint.)
Here is something that might help if any person shares with a Moslem. The Quran says Allah gave the Book to the people (Old Testament to the Jews) and the Gospel to the followers of Jesus (New Testament) and the Quran to the followers of Mohammad.
So tell them, Seeing Allah said He gave all three books, and that they are true. They have no reason not to read all three. for they are as love letters from God. Open their eyes a bit.
ken1burton
Ken, Baloney and Hogwash!
Muslims and the Quran deny the deity of Jesus Christ, deny that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, call Him a prophet, deny His Crucifixion as Atonement for Sin, and the list goes on and on.
Allah is the Moon God....every symbol of the religion shows a crescent moon, Muslim country flags show the crescent moon on them, their Ramadan begins and ends with the moon, that list is endless too.
The Promise from God was made to Abraham through Isaac, not through Ishmael, there are no similies between Muslims and Judeo-Christian beliefs, and you are off base there, too, in all your similies and allegories and hidden meanings.
Muslims need salvation through the Atoning Blood of Jesus Christ as does every other person on this Earth. The fact is right now, literally thousands of Muslims in Muslim countries are turning to Jesus Christ and accepting Salvation through Him from viewing the Jesus Film Project. They are thirsty for the Living Water that their religion cannot provide. They are searching for Peace that their religion of violence does not provide. They are accepting Jesus Christ at great cost...thousands upon thousands suffering great torture, being lit on fire while alive, having body parts hacked off, raped, and even death from the hands of Muslims all because they have turned to Jesus Christ and refuse to renounce His Precious and Holy Name.
You preach a false doctrine and false religion. Not only that, you taint the name of these Holy Ones who lay down their lives for the Cause of Jesus Christ with your words of blasphemy. Period. Re: Islam, you just flat out don't know what you're talking about. Case closed.
Muslims and the Quran deny the deity of Jesus Christ, deny that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, call Him a prophet, deny His Crucifixion as Atonement for Sin, and the list goes on and on.
Allah is the Moon God....every symbol of the religion shows a crescent moon, Muslim country flags show the crescent moon on them, their Ramadan begins and ends with the moon, that list is endless too.
The Promise from God was made to Abraham through Isaac, not through Ishmael, there are no similies between Muslims and Judeo-Christian beliefs, and you are off base there, too, in all your similies and allegories and hidden meanings.
Muslims need salvation through the Atoning Blood of Jesus Christ as does every other person on this Earth. The fact is right now, literally thousands of Muslims in Muslim countries are turning to Jesus Christ and accepting Salvation through Him from viewing the Jesus Film Project. They are thirsty for the Living Water that their religion cannot provide. They are searching for Peace that their religion of violence does not provide. They are accepting Jesus Christ at great cost...thousands upon thousands suffering great torture, being lit on fire while alive, having body parts hacked off, raped, and even death from the hands of Muslims all because they have turned to Jesus Christ and refuse to renounce His Precious and Holy Name.
You preach a false doctrine and false religion. Not only that, you taint the name of these Holy Ones who lay down their lives for the Cause of Jesus Christ with your words of blasphemy. Period. Re: Islam, you just flat out don't know what you're talking about. Case closed.
K
ken1burton
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Here is what would happen if the Bible were Literal.
Let God be true and EVERY EVERY EVERY man a Liar.
Now with us all liars, We all have our part in the Lake of fire. And the BAPTIST Doctrine as well as many other Denominations for the lake of fire is = Kiss your bippy good-by.
So a literal Bible says Jesus died in vain for we all go to the lake of fire. (good thing that is now what SOUND CHURCH DOCTRINE sees it as.)
(REVELATION 21:8) But the fearful, and unbelieving, and abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. (KJV)
OH? The unbelieving is there also.
(ROMANS 11:32) For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. (KJV)
All in unbelief? into the fire EVERYONE.
(JOSHUA 24:19) And Joshua said unto the people, Ye cannot serve the Lord: for he is an holy God; he is a jealous God; he will not forgive your transgressions nor your sins. (KJV)
You sure you want to take all this LITERAL? A Holy God that does not forgive?
Actually Forgiveness is a Similitude that really never happens. God placed all sin upon Jesus, and it was not forgiven Jesus. Jesus paid the debt in full as those were His own sins as the law required.
(DEUTERONOMY 24:16) The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin. (KJV)
Also taking Scripture literally. The old testament has God destroying Israel many times, Why do they still exist?
EagleLives911
Muslims and the Quran deny the deity of Jesus Christ, deny that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, call Him a prophet, deny His Crucifixion as Atonement for Sin, and the list goes on and on.
So do the Jews, and they are the Chosen people.
First of all. Muslim means a TRUE Believer in God. The Quran shows Abraham was a Muslim. Jesus and the Disciples were Muslims.
A Moslem is a follower of Islam.
Now, Like it or not. Moslems make up a large part of this world. And as any other they need to know God in Truth. Telling them the Quran is phony is not helping, and it is not true.
You have read the Bible many times. Great. I assume you have come to see God speaking through the different writers? God inspired the Books that make up the Scripture. His style of speaking is throughout the Bible. The Quran shows the same style.
I have read the book of Mormon, part way. I saw that Joseph Smith did not have a Xerox machine, So he took a 1611 King James Version Bible and invented "Cut and Paste."
God blinded Israel in Isaiah 29:10 from being able to see that Jesus is the Christ. God did not want the Nation as a whole coming to Christ. God did not want the Moslem world to come to Christ for a period of time. That is how God works.
(ISAIAH 29:10) For the Lord hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered. (KJV)
(ISAIAH 29:11) And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed: (KJV)
(JOHN 12:39) Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again, (KJV)
(JOHN 12:40) He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. (KJV)
I have said that 2029 is when they awaken, That is seen in Ezekiel's temple vision. But more is seen there. Where ever the waters (Gospel in truth) goes, they are healed. Just a few holdouts. Almost the entire world will come to Christ. Get your nets. For the fishers of men will have an abundance then.
(EZEKIEL 47:8) Then said he unto me, These waters issue out toward the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea: which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed. (KJV)
(EZEKIEL 47:9) And it shall come to pass, that every thing that liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live whither the river cometh. (KJV)
(EZEKIEL 47:10) And it shall come to pass, that the fishers shall stand upon it from Engedi even unto Eneglaim; they shall be a place to spread forth nets; their fish shall be according to their kinds, as the fish of the great sea, exceeding many. (KJV)
(EZEKIEL 47:11) But the miry places thereof and the marishes thereof shall not be healed; they shall be given to salt. (KJV)
Like it or not, God has a time table, and He has an Agenda. And He is still using Plan "A". Part of that plan is He always shows it first.
Case closed? I think God is the judge for when a case is closed.
ken1burton
Here is what would happen if the Bible were Literal.
Let God be true and EVERY EVERY EVERY man a Liar.
Now with us all liars, We all have our part in the Lake of fire. And the BAPTIST Doctrine as well as many other Denominations for the lake of fire is = Kiss your bippy good-by.
So a literal Bible says Jesus died in vain for we all go to the lake of fire. (good thing that is now what SOUND CHURCH DOCTRINE sees it as.)
(REVELATION 21:8) But the fearful, and unbelieving, and abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. (KJV)
OH? The unbelieving is there also.
(ROMANS 11:32) For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. (KJV)
All in unbelief? into the fire EVERYONE.
(JOSHUA 24:19) And Joshua said unto the people, Ye cannot serve the Lord: for he is an holy God; he is a jealous God; he will not forgive your transgressions nor your sins. (KJV)
You sure you want to take all this LITERAL? A Holy God that does not forgive?
Actually Forgiveness is a Similitude that really never happens. God placed all sin upon Jesus, and it was not forgiven Jesus. Jesus paid the debt in full as those were His own sins as the law required.
(DEUTERONOMY 24:16) The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin. (KJV)
Also taking Scripture literally. The old testament has God destroying Israel many times, Why do they still exist?
EagleLives911
Muslims and the Quran deny the deity of Jesus Christ, deny that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, call Him a prophet, deny His Crucifixion as Atonement for Sin, and the list goes on and on.
So do the Jews, and they are the Chosen people.
First of all. Muslim means a TRUE Believer in God. The Quran shows Abraham was a Muslim. Jesus and the Disciples were Muslims.
A Moslem is a follower of Islam.
Now, Like it or not. Moslems make up a large part of this world. And as any other they need to know God in Truth. Telling them the Quran is phony is not helping, and it is not true.
You have read the Bible many times. Great. I assume you have come to see God speaking through the different writers? God inspired the Books that make up the Scripture. His style of speaking is throughout the Bible. The Quran shows the same style.
I have read the book of Mormon, part way. I saw that Joseph Smith did not have a Xerox machine, So he took a 1611 King James Version Bible and invented "Cut and Paste."
God blinded Israel in Isaiah 29:10 from being able to see that Jesus is the Christ. God did not want the Nation as a whole coming to Christ. God did not want the Moslem world to come to Christ for a period of time. That is how God works.
(ISAIAH 29:10) For the Lord hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered. (KJV)
(ISAIAH 29:11) And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed: (KJV)
(JOHN 12:39) Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again, (KJV)
(JOHN 12:40) He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. (KJV)
I have said that 2029 is when they awaken, That is seen in Ezekiel's temple vision. But more is seen there. Where ever the waters (Gospel in truth) goes, they are healed. Just a few holdouts. Almost the entire world will come to Christ. Get your nets. For the fishers of men will have an abundance then.
(EZEKIEL 47:8) Then said he unto me, These waters issue out toward the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea: which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed. (KJV)
(EZEKIEL 47:9) And it shall come to pass, that every thing that liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live whither the river cometh. (KJV)
(EZEKIEL 47:10) And it shall come to pass, that the fishers shall stand upon it from Engedi even unto Eneglaim; they shall be a place to spread forth nets; their fish shall be according to their kinds, as the fish of the great sea, exceeding many. (KJV)
(EZEKIEL 47:11) But the miry places thereof and the marishes thereof shall not be healed; they shall be given to salt. (KJV)
Like it or not, God has a time table, and He has an Agenda. And He is still using Plan "A". Part of that plan is He always shows it first.
Case closed? I think God is the judge for when a case is closed.
ken1burton