Hobie
Well-Known Member
Many today don't believe that the Roman Catholic church actually persecuted other Christians or put them to death and yet the record is clear it did.
We look in history and we find the Albigensians which was one of the first Roman Catholic 'crusade' intended to slay other Christians.
'The Albigensians...viewed themselves as good Christians, but would not accept Roman Catholic rule, and taxes, and dictates. Then on the command of pope Innocent III in 1209, Bezirs (today France) was destroyed, all the inhabitants were slaughtered. Victims including Catholics refusing to turn over their neighbours and friends were up to 70,000.' [H.Wollschlger: Die bewaffneten Wallfahrten gen Jerusalem, Zrich 1973.179-181]
'The Waldensians, and many others were exterminated, in the persecution of the Cathar of Southern Europe, northern Italy, it is estimated one million victims '. [H.Wollschlger: Die bewaffneten Wallfahrten gen Jerusalem, Zrich 1973.183]
In Carcassonne nearly all Cathars of southern France were exterminated and then a Inquisition was set up to search and destroy any who did not hold to the what the church dictated.
We well know the infamous Spanish Inquisition and its vast number killed and the torture used and untold number of burnings. You cant deny that burning at the stake was done as we all know what happened to John Huss, a critic of papal infallibility and indulgences, who was burned at the stake in 1415.
The Church launched a persecution against Hussites, with thousands slain. In France the Huguenots were slaughtered at command of pope Pius V. History shows us it did happen, and they try to deflect and deny by saying it was instigated by rouge bishops or led by overzealous priests, but it was from Rome. This is a good explanation by my buddy Amo of how this action is not Gods church but a apostate church trying to force its false doctrines. 'The deeds of the Church of Rome, in slaughtering countless people who would not agree with her, were evil, and of this world, not of God.
John 8:23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
There is a separation between Christ’s true Church and this world. One’s actions and teachings prove which we are from. The history of the Church of Rome proves they are from the latter.
John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
The world cannot receive the Spirit of truth, sent to Christ’s here on earth, who keep the commandments of God. Nor can the Church of Rome receive the Spirit of truth sent by Christ to His Church, for she has sought to change God’s commandments, and teach men also to disregard some of them. Thus proving once again, that she is not Christ’s church, but the church of this world, usurping the name and authority of Christ. Thus she teaches humanity to ignore certain of the commandments of God, which Christ Himself admonished all humanity to keep.
John 14:22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Christ is not manifested to the world, but only those who love Him and are in this world. Forced or coerced submission is from beneath, not above. It cannot produce true conversion, and is not acceptable to God. If it was, there would be no sin, or sinners....
John 14:27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you:not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
John 14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.
31 But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.
John 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me....
It is the world that persecutes.. not the Church of Christ...
We look in history and we find the Albigensians which was one of the first Roman Catholic 'crusade' intended to slay other Christians.
'The Albigensians...viewed themselves as good Christians, but would not accept Roman Catholic rule, and taxes, and dictates. Then on the command of pope Innocent III in 1209, Bezirs (today France) was destroyed, all the inhabitants were slaughtered. Victims including Catholics refusing to turn over their neighbours and friends were up to 70,000.' [H.Wollschlger: Die bewaffneten Wallfahrten gen Jerusalem, Zrich 1973.179-181]
'The Waldensians, and many others were exterminated, in the persecution of the Cathar of Southern Europe, northern Italy, it is estimated one million victims '. [H.Wollschlger: Die bewaffneten Wallfahrten gen Jerusalem, Zrich 1973.183]
In Carcassonne nearly all Cathars of southern France were exterminated and then a Inquisition was set up to search and destroy any who did not hold to the what the church dictated.
We well know the infamous Spanish Inquisition and its vast number killed and the torture used and untold number of burnings. You cant deny that burning at the stake was done as we all know what happened to John Huss, a critic of papal infallibility and indulgences, who was burned at the stake in 1415.
The Church launched a persecution against Hussites, with thousands slain. In France the Huguenots were slaughtered at command of pope Pius V. History shows us it did happen, and they try to deflect and deny by saying it was instigated by rouge bishops or led by overzealous priests, but it was from Rome. This is a good explanation by my buddy Amo of how this action is not Gods church but a apostate church trying to force its false doctrines. 'The deeds of the Church of Rome, in slaughtering countless people who would not agree with her, were evil, and of this world, not of God.
John 8:23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
There is a separation between Christ’s true Church and this world. One’s actions and teachings prove which we are from. The history of the Church of Rome proves they are from the latter.
John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
The world cannot receive the Spirit of truth, sent to Christ’s here on earth, who keep the commandments of God. Nor can the Church of Rome receive the Spirit of truth sent by Christ to His Church, for she has sought to change God’s commandments, and teach men also to disregard some of them. Thus proving once again, that she is not Christ’s church, but the church of this world, usurping the name and authority of Christ. Thus she teaches humanity to ignore certain of the commandments of God, which Christ Himself admonished all humanity to keep.
John 14:22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Christ is not manifested to the world, but only those who love Him and are in this world. Forced or coerced submission is from beneath, not above. It cannot produce true conversion, and is not acceptable to God. If it was, there would be no sin, or sinners....
John 14:27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you:not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
John 14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.
31 But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.
John 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me....
It is the world that persecutes.. not the Church of Christ...