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1689Dave

1689Dave

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church mouse guy said:
Excuse me for jumping in but what is your Scripture for this point that Jews are under God's wrath until the end of the world? Are you talking about Israelis?
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“[ the Jews] Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost [the end].” 1 Thessalonians 2:16 (KJV 1900)

“He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.” John 3:36 (KJV 1900)

“For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.” Acts 3:22–23 (KJV 1900)
 
church mouse guy

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1689Dave said:
“[ the Jews] Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost [the end].” 1 Thessalonians 2:16 (KJV 1900)

“He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.” John 3:36 (KJV 1900)

“For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.” Acts 3:22–23 (KJV 1900)
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I agree with you that all practicing Jews are going to hell, but so is most of humanity although SBC President J.D. Greear thinks that Allah and Jesus are the same and Pope Francis thinks that everyone goes to heaven except Americans who die laughing at him. All Muslims are going to hell although, Dave, if you posted that they might track you down and crucify you.
 
HankD

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Hmm, the bible is inspired Genesis to Maps.

I have a map of Israel in the back of my bible

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Alan Gross

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unprofitable said:
Interesting points. When has satan been bound, literally or figuratively, for 1000 years? He certainly is active today and persecuting the body of Christ. Matter of fact, that is what he has always done.
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Satan's Accusations have been restrained by the Historical and Spiritual Reality of Jesus Having Paid for the sins of His people and Resurrected with The Power in His Blood, of Life Over death.

The 1,000 years is figurative, just as ever other number and portion of the VISIONS in Revelation.

It is a 'seemingly endless, BUT FINITE period of Time'.

That Period is between The First and Second Advent of Jesus.

That Will Be The End of Time.
 
church mouse guy

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Alan Gross said:
Satan's Accusations have been restrained by the Historical and Spiritual Reality of Jesus Having Paid for the sins of His people and Resurrected with The Power in His Blood, of Life Over death.

The 1,000 years is figurative, just as ever other number and portion of the VISIONS in Revelation.

It is a 'seemingly endless, BUT FINITE period of Time'.

That Period is between The First and Second Advent of Jesus.

That Will Be The End of Time.
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So the ones will not come back to life?
 
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Alan Gross,

What is your interpretation of Satan being "loosed a little season".

When does this occur?

It would seem the figurative binding of Satan for 1000 years would correspond with the figurative 1000 year reign of Christ.

While I have no problem with the 1000 years being figurative, the multitude of figurative examples (prophesies in many cases) in the OT, that point to the work of Christ in bringing forth the kingdom church in the midst of Israel as a covenant nation are, in the end, real occurences. The figurative examples in the two sticks and valley of dry bones in Ezekiel 37 were accomplished in the advent of the body of Christ as the church. This is Israel restored where, "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female, for ye are all ONE in Christ." Gal 3:28

Figurative almost always stands as a prophesy with an eventual reality or manifestation. My concern is when I see many spiritualize away the church.

Brother Mitchell, national Israel was a covenant nation whose authority to preach/perpetuate the word of God was stripped from her in 70 AD. Christ told them in Mt 21:43, …"the kingdom shall be taken from you and given to a nation (the body of Christ) bringing for the fruits (of the Holy Spirit) thereof. The promises given to Abraham were accomplished in Christ and continue to be in a literal, local assembly, the dwelling place of the godhead and the sons of Abraham.
 
church mouse guy

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So no one believes that the bones can come back to life? And one thousand years is figurative as in verses such as he lived such and such a number of years? Should we ever take any thing literally in Scripture? Does anything in Scripture mean anything?
 
Alan Gross

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No.
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Yep.

Starting with the most obscure Apocryphal genre used in The Bible and stamping it 'letterism', then trying to shove it, with the flesh, like a square peg into a round hole of the rest of the Bible, where nothing of these fantasy ideas are taught, is groovy, as long as everyone knows you aren't actually claiming to know anything about The Book of Revelation, because you have to just make it all up, based on the unwillingness to seek God on how to rightfully divide Scripture.

Then(?), waffle back to spiritualizing verses using a supernatural evil spirit of that same witchcraft and deception, and then randomly pronouncing certain more Scriptures, 'letterism', has spoken.

Wrong approach, not of God and having no way to God's Message.

But if you don't care, at least we can all see that part of it.

This isn't what anyone would want to attempt, because it's just wild imagination, but some who are not serious about any of it do.
 
Alan Gross

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unprofitable said:
Alan Gross,

What is your interpretation of Satan being "loosed a little season".

When does this occur?

It would seem the figurative binding of Satan for 1000 years would correspond with the figurative 1000 year reign of Christ.

While I have no problem with the 1000 years being figurative, the multitude of figurative examples (prophesies in many cases) in the OT, that point to the work of Christ in bringing forth the kingdom church in the midst of Israel as a covenant nation are, in the end, real occurences. The figurative examples in the two sticks and valley of dry bones in Ezekiel 37 were accomplished in the advent of the body of Christ as the church. This is Israel restored where, "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female, for ye are all ONE in Christ." Gal 3:28

Figurative almost always stands as a prophesy with an eventual reality or manifestation. My concern is when I see many spiritualize away the church.

Brother Mitchell, national Israel was a covenant nation whose authority to preach/perpetuate the word of God was stripped from her in 70 AD. Christ told them in Mt 21:43, …"the kingdom shall be taken from you and given to a nation (the body of Christ) bringing for the fruits (of the Holy Spirit) thereof. The promises given to Abraham were accomplished in Christ and continue to be in a literal, local assembly, the dwelling place of the godhead and the sons of Abraham.
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The little season are those without The Blood of Christ Protecting them from Satan's deception and the seasons, in which, Satan still is allowed to persecute The Lord's people and Work, even unto their martyrdom, in spite of Jesus'Accomplishment in vastly limiting Satan's abilities to do so, at Calvery.

Actually, determining something exists as 'one big church' is a supernatural evil spirit spiritualizing away The Lord's churches, as Jesus Founded them.

Yes, The Lord's churches are God's witnesses, after Israel was Judged.
 
Alan Gross

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church mouse guy said:
So no one believes that the bones can come back to life? And one thousand years is figurative as in verses such as he lived such and such a number of years? Should we ever take any thing literally in Scripture? Does anything in Scripture mean anything?
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No, not to people that know they don't know what it means.
 
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Let me be more specific concerning the word church. This calling out was the original formation and the teachings of the oracles of God as a covenant Baptist people. Christ set everything in order concerning the true teachings of the Father during His ministry. It was the new covenant. The remnant in the old testament saw and had knowledge of that kingdom/land and were looking for its manifestation even as Christ said, "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day and he saw it and was glad." (John 8:56) Satan has always tried to destroy THAT kingdom by taking it by violence, both by physical persecution and perversion of the word of God. We do no include the "isms" in our defining the body of Christ.

Your description of the little season has been a constant since Cain slew Abel. It has been and is being accomplished by that wicked, stiffnecked, adulterous generation described in the scriptures of which Cain is a representative. The blood of millions of martyrs throughout the ages show no binding of Satan. Please expound.
 
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Brother Mitchell, national Israel was a covenant nation whose authority to preach/perpetuate the word of God was stripped from her in 70 AD. Christ told them in Mt 21:43, …"the kingdom shall be taken from you and given to a nation (the body of Christ) bringing for the fruits (of the Holy Spirit) thereof. The promises given to Abraham were accomplished in Christ and continue to be in a literal, local assembly, the dwelling place of the godhead and the sons of Abraham.
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First of all, God stopped using Israel for the perpetuating of the gospel long before that. Once he church became empowered (pentecost) Israel was set aside. Some of the promises to national Israel are still going to be fulfilled.

Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written,

The Deliverer will come from Zion,
he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”;
27 “and this will be my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”

28 As regards the gospel, they are enemies for your sake. But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
 
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