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Alan Gross

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Revmitchell said:
The cooky stuff that show up here
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Like beginning in the 20th chapter of the last Book of The Bible and Making a Determination by Decree, on How God can and can't Write A Bible, based on the simple capibility of reading a number, and that is it?

You know the number '1,000'.

So, you must know The Revelation.

"Revelation is "signified".

AND: "The assumption that 1,000 years is not symbolic has no basis"

... ARE as sound a pair of Hemenutical Principals, as you will ever see.

The second is original with me.

Revelation is easily Taught, and understandable, and the most Practical Book in The Bible.

Why people demand to know they are just guessing may disappoint them, but that doesn't have anything to do with me.

I don't listen to guesses anymore than listening to 'evolution'.
 
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The use of the word or letters 'mill', in any context relating to The Book of Revelation is the primary indication of a novice, is also original with me.

If that helps.

It actually should, enormously.
 
robycop3

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1689Dave said:
No offence, but that aint Israel. They are the broken off unbelievers from Israel who hate Christ more than you can shake a stick at. Only by faith will any be reattached to Israel.
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ABSOLUTELY WRONG !

History plainly shows these people are Jews, & therefore part of Israel. Sure, most are unbelievers, but does that mean they're not Jews? Of course not ! There were fewer Jewish believers in Paul's day, but he made it plain that God wasn't through with them as a people. The day is coming when He will present the truth to them unmistakibly, then, remove those who still won't believe. But we must dispense with the nonsense at once that these people aren't Jews.
 
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asterisktom said:
Rather, time means nothing to those who are determined to continue ignoring God's inspired time statements.

If time truly is irrelevant why did God give the believers the 70 weeks prophecy? Time was a crucial factor there.

And the same is true for all other time statements.
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The fact that the prophesied events haven't yet occurred proves your preterism false.
 
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1689Dave said:
I didn't say that. Only looking for things to begin in the distant future shows a blindness in those who cannot see them fulfilled in history as well.
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Hmmm... Seen all the green grass burned up lately? Seen all life in the Mediterranean Sea die yet? Seen all fresh water turned to blood yet?

Remember, Jesus said the generation that sees these events begin will see them all!
 
1689Dave

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robycop3 said:
Hmmm... Seen all the green grass burned up lately? Seen all life in the Mediterranean Sea die yet? Seen all fresh water turned to blood yet?

Remember, Jesus said the generation that sees these events begin will see them all!
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You expect the symbol to appear instead of what it represents.
 
1689Dave

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robycop3 said:
ABSOLUTELY WRONG !

History plainly shows these people are Jews, & therefore part of Israel. Sure, most are unbelievers, but does that mean they're not Jews? Of course not ! There were fewer Jewish believers in Paul's day, but he made it plain that God wasn't through with them as a people. The day is coming when He will present the truth to them unmistakibly, then, remove those who still won't believe. But we must dispense with the nonsense at once that these people aren't Jews.
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If the broken off Jews are Israel, to whom does God reattach them to if they accept Christ?
 
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robycop3 said:
The fact that the prophesied events haven't yet occurred proves your preterism false.
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The event has happened. Rather, it is ongoing. He is present now. His Kingdom is now. But it requires a spiritual perception similar to what Christ (Matt. 11:14) said of Elijah's already having come.

"And if you are willing to accept it, John himself is Elijah who was to come."

Your coming of Jesus, Robycop, will never happen because you are so fixed on literalness whereas Scripture speaks of a spiritual reality.
 
Alan Gross

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robycop3 said:
ABSOLUTELY WRONG !

History plainly shows these people are Jews, & therefore part of Israel. Sure, most are unbelievers, but does that mean they're not Jews? Of course not ! There were fewer Jewish believers in Paul's day, but he made it plain that God wasn't through with them as a people. The day is coming when He will present the truth to them unmistakibly, then, remove those who still won't believe. But we must dispense with the nonsense at once that these people aren't Jews.
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If you want to leave the Jews lost, so Jesus can come and try to talk some of them into seeing things His way; I'll pigeonhole that business into 'another gospel' and skip it.

There is an alternative Hemenutic which lays out Revelation, rightly divided, I believe.

There are 7 VISIONS and one End of The World in each one.

That is the hint of all hints.
 
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robycop3 said:
Hmmm... Seen all the green grass burned up lately? Seen all life in the Mediterranean Sea die yet? Seen all fresh water turned to blood yet?

Remember, Jesus said the generation that sees these events begin will see them all!
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That generation He Spoke to saw the Abomination of Desolation He was Talking to them about.

Nothing to do with End Times, there.

I guarantee.
 
robycop3

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Dave the Jews will be re-attached to GOD'S TRUE CHURCH. (For some reason, I couldn't make "reply" work for your post.)
 
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asterisktom said:
The event has happened. Rather, it is ongoing. He is present now. His Kingdom is now. But it requires a spiritual perception similar to what Christ (Matt. 11:14) said of Elijah's already having come.
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MMRRPP ! WRONG !

Jesus' kingdom won't be on earth til He returns & takes over David's throne. Right now, we are citizens-elect of it, just as a new POTUS is president-elect for a coupla months.

"And if you are willing to accept it, John himself is Elijah who was to come."

Your coming of Jesus, Robycop, will never happen because you are so fixed on literalness whereas Scripture speaks of a spiritual reality.
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You're simply denying SCRIPTURE, especially JESUS' OWN WORDS! SHAME on you !
 
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Alan Gross said:
That generation He Spoke to saw the Abomination of Desolation He was Talking to them about.

Nothing to do with End Times, there.

I guarantee.
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No, it DIDN'T. The AOD will be when the antichrist enters the coming temple in Jerusalem, sets up his statue in it, & declares himself God in it.

And I guarantee you're WRONG. My authority? SCRIPTURE ! !
 
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