Difference between being redemptively "in Christ" versus Representatively in Christ?

[Dr. Walter]

I don't think anyone disagrees with you here. Salvation is not in doctrine but in the person and work of Jesus Christ. However, no sinner will turn to Christ until God does a work of grace in their soul that changes their enmity (hatred - Jn. 3:19-21) and refusal to submit to God (Rom. 8:7).

Nothing prevents the greatest sinner from coming to Christ except his own depraved resistant will and nothing changes that rebellious will into a submissive will but the grace of God.

2 Corinthians 3:
14But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away. 15Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts. 16But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect[Or contemplate] the Lord's glory, are being transformed into his likeness with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.

God will not be mocked. We are the temple of the Holy Spirit. We because of Christ should be light in the darkness. We should make the world jealous. It is the god of this world who has blinded them not God only in Christ when we turn to Jesus seeing Him on the right hand of the Father being our intercessor our only hope that Jesus will open our eyes.

No matter how you try to make the scripture fit your opinion your belief system the veil that covers your eyes. If you do not turn to Jesus for your salvation you are not one of the predestined and also not the foreknown. God will not be mocked.


James 1:
22Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says. 23Anyone who listens to the word but does not do what it says is like a man who looks at his face in a mirror 24and, after looking at himself, goes away and immediately forgets what he looks like. 25But the man who looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues to do this, not forgetting what he has heard, but doing it—he will be blessed in what he does.

2 Chronicles 36:
16 But they mocked God's messengers, despised his words and scoffed at his prophets until the wrath of the LORD was aroused against his people and there was no remedy.

James 5:
17Elijah was a man just like us. He prayed earnestly that it would not rain, and it did not rain on the land for three and a half years. 18Again he prayed, and the heavens gave rain, and the earth produced its crops. 19My brothers, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring him back, 20remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of his way will save him from death and cover over a multitude of sins.

Everyone I don't care who you think you are, are headed for death until you turn to Jesus.

 

[psalms109:31]

Salvation

Who can save me from this body of death praise be to Jesus.


You and me and everyone is in death, with no hope. We are headed for death.

Through the words of Jesus it changes all that you believe.

His word is Spirit and life. His word provides two paths to believe turn to Him and live or not and continue in death. His word provides us the ability to do what you believe we cannot.

It only takes us to go away from all that we believe about our dead self and turn to Christ to have life.

If anyone turns to Jesus even the one's you believe cannot Jesus will remove the veil.

What you believe is impossible is possible with God.

If there is hope for me the worst of sinners then their is hope for anyone who believes even those you think have no hope.

 

[psalms109:31]

Saved by grace through faith

We are saved by grace but not by grace alone but grace through faith. The faith we get from God through the words of Jesus.The faith teaches us that we are all sinners deserving nothing and the wages of our sin is death. So we have to trust in Jesus to save us because we can't save ourselves because of our debt.

God throughout scripture tells us to trust in the Lord and has no problem with it, to Him it doesn't take away His grace. It is only men who believe this takes away from the grace of God to trust in the Lord.

Who thinks we are debt free?

Romans 13:8
[ Love, for the Day is Near ] Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for he who loves his fellowman has fulfilled the law.