Differences between church and individual beliefs

[Earth Wind and Fire]

It is ironic that the complaint is often the self-attribute that others complain about.

We want others to accept our differences as an asset but rarely appreciate those who may hold views other than our own.

Why do we want others to accept our differences? I certainly do not care one way or the other what others accept or don’t! I can allow for but not accept others views. I will put it this way to you.... when I was looking around for a church, I happened into a conservative Lutheran Church. We and the deacons talked at length. We all agreed with conservative stances on Religion but not on doctrinal issues, one guy even called Baptistic distinctive as heretical. I finally decided that I could not go there and become a member. When I told the pastor, minister, bishop... whatever he went by he was aghast! He told me with time he could teach me the right way to understand the gospel as well as the traditions of that particular church and denomination. Obviously he was going to discredit my own understanding of gospel.

He wanted to argue the point, so I asked if he would be comfortable going to and sending his kids to a Baptist Church and he gave me a definitive answer... NO!

So I responded by saying that I’m not comfortable with your church and would send my kids there.... pretty much ended the conversation.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I will....when the older folks stop obsessing on those hymns

I was raised to respect my elders... they have wisdom. Apparently these young do not.

 

[JonC]

Why do we want others to accept our differences?

Because worship should be about God, church should be about discipleship, and Christians should be more focused on others than they are on themselves.

A better question is why are we so opposed to accepting the differences of other Christians.

 

[JonC]

I was raised to respect my elders... they have wisdom. Apparently these young do not.

Many also have dementia.

Age does not matter when the elder ceases to look after raising up a godly youth in favor of settling in to their own comfortable traditions.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Because worship should be about God, church should be about discipleship, and Christians should be more focused on others than they are on themselves.

A better question is why are we so opposed to accepting the differences of other Christians.

Why?

 

[JonC]

Why?

Because we ate called to disciple other people to be more "like Christ", not more like us.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Many also have dementia.

Age does not matter when the elder ceases to look after raising up a godly youth in favor of settling in to their own comfortable traditions.

Obviously you have never been to a good Primitive Baptist Church. We don’t segregate our kids... rather they are to learn from the parents, grand parents etc.

 

[JonC]

Obviously you have never been to a good Primitive Baptist Church. We don’t segregate our kids... rather they are to learn from the parents, grand parents etc.

I have not been to Primitive Baptist churches but I have attended churches that do not offer a separate service for children. All that I've attended do have an age related bible study.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Then how many of these kids have PTSD, OCD, Asbergers, etc I never saw these growing up.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I have not been to Primitive Baptist churches but I have attended churches that do not offer a separate service for children. All that I've attended do have an age related bible study.

Last separate service for children resulted in arrests of two S/S teachers for solicitation. Before that same nonsense. Third church resulted in a teen pregnancy.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Because we ate called to disciple other people to be more "like Christ", not more like us.

And just who disciples.... meaning can you guarantee that they are all regenerate born again people? I will answer that, no you can’t! Then, why am I going to put my trust in these churches. I’ve seen pastors who steal from the church, have affairs ( with congregants), involved in porn, rig up hidden camera to look up the dress of an office administrator. Disciple your Aunt Tillie, I wont have these people even come near my family... just as my mother never allowed me to serve as an alter boy when I was involved in the RCC.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I have not been to Primitive Baptist churches but I have attended churches that do not offer a separate service for children. All that I've attended do have an age related bible study.

Maybe you should go... Glen/Tindale knows them better than I do. Perhaps you could contact him?

 

[JonC]

Last separate service for children resulted in arrests of two S/S teachers for solicitation. Before that same nonsense. Third church resulted in a teen pregnancy.

Sounds like a church comprised of non-Christians.

 

[JonC]

Maybe you should go... Glen/Tindale knows them better than I do. Perhaps you could contact him?

I don't know of any around here. I also love my current church.

 

[Iconoclast]

The important thing is that you are currently in a church that preaches the Word. Hopefully, you are able to build godly relationships.

The strength of this church is the expositions preaching of the scriptures, the base groups, and the various out reaches and service to the surrounding community

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Sounds like a church comprised of non-Christians.

Correction, 4 churches. My wife pegs them as ‘CINO’ or Christians in name only.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I don't know of any around here. I also love my current church.

Be honest, in your exhaustive search, you never ever considered a PB church, right.

 

[Iconoclast]

Jon, one problem I have with modern worship music is that it intentionally or unintentionally disrespects older Christians. Ironically, older Christians are the most mature people in the church (generally speaking). This disrespect is a result of the modern church growth movement contextualization efforts. I visited a church in Celebration, FL that teaches the doctrines of grace. It's just on the edge of the distance I would be willing to drive. The preaching was very good. The music? Not just modern praise music but a stage show that Billy Squire used to put on in the 80's. Also, it was music you could wave your hands or head-bang to but you could not sing along with. The leader of the worship band filled the role of a lead singer. He sang so well and so loud that you could not compete with him. Not surprisingly, the average age in attendance seemed to top out at the early 40's. I was one of the oldest there and there was no one from the senior generation within eyesight. The generation that should provide the most spiritual grounding and stability was nowhere to be found. IMHO that does not bode well for the long term health of that church.

Correct once again, Reformed!
This is in vogue now, but is building on sand.

 

[Reformed]

The strength of this church is the expositions preaching of the scriptures, the base groups, and the various out reaches and service to the surrounding community

Praise God that we have access to sound teaching online. So, while we may not be in a perfect church (from a teaching perspective), we do have other options. Of course, those other options should never replace the local church.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Praise God that we have access to sound teaching online. So, while we may not be in a perfect church (from a teaching perspective), we do have other options. Of course, those other options should never replace the local church.

Why not? If there is nothing in your area but post modern entertainment centers and/ or heretical churches or Catholic Churches what do you expect a person to do? I personally have given up on the whole area. There is nothing that comes close to that PB Church in Florida so perhaps God is leading me there. But what about the rest that are trapped in this God forsaken area, good teaching churches (like Begg’s ) in Cleveland give people hope and allow them to connect and often stay connected.