Digging tools

[evangelist6589]

I would like to have Logos, but for me it is not worth the investment. I have wordsearch and probably about $700 invested (over the years) along with a descent library and digital collection. I just can't justify the cost.

It's a want vs need thing for me.

Who needs books. Just read the Bible. No need for Logos and all the books.

 

[evangelist6589]

Why? (Doesn't those programs also work on iOS?)

I never said iOS. I implied the counterpart of Windows which is MacOS

 

[TCassidy]

Just read the Bible.

Uh, Logos IS the bible!

 

[agedman]

I would like to have Logos, but for me it is not worth the investment. I have wordsearch and probably about $700 invested (over the years) along with a descent library and digital collection. I just can't justify the cost.

It's a want vs need thing for me.

Too bad there isn’t some trade-in value to old software and computers.

Too bad that the folks that crank out software packages don’t work off the same princeples as open source does.

I am so fed up with Microsoft, iOS, and Android. With all the security problems.

I can actually get more operating ability and security from a computer running Ubuntu, and better running software for word processing and spreadsheets. And it is all free!

What I can’t get is powerful Bible programming to work, which is really sad.

 

[agedman]

Who needs books. Just read the Bible. No need for Logos and all the books.

Start any threads about a book?

 

[evangelist6589]

Too bad there isn’t some trade-in value to old software and computers.

Too bad that the folks that crank out software packages don’t work off the same princeples as open source does.

I am so fed up with Microsoft, iOS, and Android. With all the security problems.

I can actually get more operating ability and security from a computer running Ubuntu, and better running software for word processing and spreadsheets. And it is all free!

What I can’t get is powerful Bible programming to work, which is really sad.

Then get Mac OS

 

[JonC]

Who needs books. Just read the Bible. No need for Logos and all the books.

I wouldnt use those types programs to read books (although I know they have the capability). What I like about the software is having various translations and the language tools.

Most, I think, would use the programs for that purpose - as a resource for studying the Bible, not for reading books. We ate talking about Bible software, not a reader.

 

[JonC]

I never said iOS. I implied the counterpart of Windows which is MacOS

It seems to be a poor counterpart if it can't run Bible software. Ate you restricted, then, to just reading book....or only to apple products?

 

[JonC]

Too bad there isn’t some trade-in value to old software and computers.

Too bad that the folks that crank out software packages don’t work off the same princeples as open source does.

I am so fed up with Microsoft, iOS, and Android. With all the security problems.

I can actually get more operating ability and security from a computer running Ubuntu, and better running software for word processing and spreadsheets. And it is all free!

What I can’t get is powerful Bible programming to work, which is really sad.

I've been playing around with Mint (I have it and Windows installed). But I've been tempted to ditch the computer all together and just use the Note 8 with a docking station. I've been very impressed with the capabilities of this phone.

The reason I don't (besides recently building the computer) is for Bible study. I have not found an app that will replace what I already have on the computer.

 

[Covenanter]

Who needs books. Just read the Bible. No need for Logos and all the books.

There is the question of interpretation which is what the discussions are about. A helpful internet resource will guide us to related passages & the usage & possible meanings of important words in English, Hebrew & Greek. I find the free resource blueletterbible.org excellent for this purpose. I don't want to be told what to believe, nor how to interpret.

Start any threads about a book?

I'm rereading the book mentioned on the forum 10 years ago -

Thank you, DQ. :thumbs:

Here's that book title in case anyone was waiting for it: The Reformers and their Stepchildren by Leonard Verduin. We actually went through it chapter-by-chapter on another board -- very interesting!

From it, we can see most all societies before America as "sacral" -- societies set up by "religionists," pagan and "God-centered" alike (Babel, ... Egypt, Babylon, Greece, Israel, Rome, Reform nations) for their own agrandizement in the name of religion/state religion. True worship of God was persecuted in all of these to a greater or lesser degree -- which is why the Puritans and such "stepchildren fled Reform countries and established "compostie (freedom of religion) societies" in America.

Does that suggest anything to anyone regarding the roots of Reform theology?? Like that they were trying to - or making the pretense of - setting up Christ's kingdom on earth??

skypair

As I understand it, then, these men felt the spirit of Calvinism spoke to them through scripture. Would that be fair? Or was it the Spirit of God that spoke to them through Calvinism? It's like the quandry today among Catholics -- does the Pope and tradition speak for God or does God speak through the Pope and tradition. As we all know, neither!

Let me say this -- Calvinism/Lutheranism/Reform were based on the foundation of Christ built upon by men of near-term Catholic persuasion and not all the "house" was "swept" at one time. For instance, baptism and communion remained similar in practice and in rationale which led to the continued notion that infants had original sin guilt and that communion was the administration of grace. The true church (there are Calvinists among us) has since moved beyond these notions by actually admitting what Luther said we should -- scripture alone.

So as to these earlier "witnesses" -- it was the best revelation they had at the time. What did the schools teach? What was the "buzz?" What were the "heresies" being fended off?

I have a very engaging book you both ought to read* called "The Reformers and Their Stepchildren" by Leonard Verduin. It tells about these "stepchildren" of the Reform Movement, those who broke away on issues like infant baptism, communion, etc. -- issues of scripture vs. "tradition."

skypair

*On Zolaboard a few years ago, we discussed it chapter-by-chapter. It was that interesting!

 

[evangelist6589]

It seems to be a poor counterpart if it can't run Bible software. Ate you restricted, then, to just reading book....or only to apple products?

Yes Mac can run Bible software.

 

[Covenanter]

Start any threads about a book?

See my new thread

How many of you settle down to read 300 or more pages on your computer.

I do use my Kindle for reading, but plenty of good books aren't available. Also a lot of what is available will be what "they" want people to read - popular stuff rather than edifying.

 

[agedman]

I've been playing around with Mint (I have it and Windows installed). But I've been tempted to ditch the computer all together and just use the Note 8 with a docking station. I've been very impressed with the capabilities of this phone.

The reason I don't (besides recently building the computer) is for Bible study. I have not found an app that will replace what I already have on the computer.

I gave Mint a test run. It is built on the same Linux platform as Ubuntu. I didn’t find quite as much support available, but did like the cleaner look.

What computer do you run it on?

 

[HankD]

I went to school in a different century, and the digging tools were far different then I see used by the typical student and classroom of today. (I peeked at some pictures of student classrooms online,)

Where once a library was stacked with research books, periodicals, journals, ... and students would gather great learning experience by having to actually spend hours reading (do they even have card catalogs and use the Dewey Decimal System?), the situation seems quite different.

More often a student, by merely having to read so much of many other topics in search of the single topic of their assignment, the educational value was greatly enhanced. One, by nature of the searching, would reap a background knowledge that proved invaluable as at least having read much on many concepts in their search for that particular to their focused study. To my thinking, students were in fact better generally educated a century ago, then some, today. Where generally skinner, more dexterous, and often more polite because they were in a position of always having to ask and more often beg for someone to type while they continued to research. (That should bring back memories from some of you long ago learners)
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Indeed! My wife was my typist all the way through graduate research studies.
She proofread them as well.
I don't think I have thanked her sufficiently

Logos and BibleWorks - but still have a moldy (literally) dead tree library.

HankD

 

[JonC]

I gave Mint a test run. It is built on the same Linux platform as Ubuntu. I didn’t find quite as much support available, but did like the cleaner look.

What computer do you run it on?

Its a dell desktop
I haven't looked at in awhile.

 

[agedman]

Its a dell desktop
I haven't looked at in awhile.

I tried to set up a file server with my old dell desktop using Ubuntu server. It works well, but I did it in an attempt to learn, more than to use.

I really do not want to be shackled to microsoft, or OS, or Android.

With nearly the whole world using a Linux based operating system, it would seem that major bible software would find a market among that group.

What better ministry than to have Logos or some other Bible research program that would compare, contrast, find outside sources... available as a open source for the world?

 

[Dave]

I pre-ordered it also. I am looking forward to getting into it. Thanks for telling us about it, John

 

[evangelist6589]

I tried to set up a file server with my old dell desktop using Ubuntu server. It works well, but I did it in an attempt to learn, more than to use.

I really do not want to be shackled to microsoft, or OS, or Android.

With nearly the whole world using a Linux based operating system, it would seem that major bible software would find a market among that group.

What better ministry than to have Logos or some other Bible research program that would compare, contrast, find outside sources... available as a open source for the world?

Who cares about Liniux. It’s either Windows or Mac OS on desktops.

 

[JonC]

Who cares about Liniux. It’s either Windows or Mac OS on desktops.

Desktop:
90% use windows. Mac does get 8%. But why don't you think Liniux is significant?


(Netmarketshare.com, Aug 2016)

 

[evangelist6589]

Desktop:
90% use windows. Mac does get 8%. But why don't you think Liniux is significant?


(Netmarketshare.com, Aug 2016)

Because Mac OS is way better and has far more software available.