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Dinosaur Fossils

Winman

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Dinosaurs may still be alive. Dinosaurs lived with man, there is art from many ancient civilizations that clearly depicts dinosaurs, and stories from hundreds of ancient civilizations of "dragons" as well. These were the dinosaurs.

There have been several recent finds of dinosaurs that contain soft tissue, there has even been reports of DNA being recovered. This would not be possible if dinosaurs went extinct millions of years ago. It is doubtful that DNA could even survive thousands of years, so dinosaurs could have been roaming around just a few hundred years ago.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/dinosaur.html

There have been dinosaur and human footprints found in the same location in several areas of the world. These would have had to be made within hours of each other.
 

HeirofSalvation

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Dinosaurs may still be alive. Dinosaurs lived with man, there is art from many ancient civilizations that clearly depicts dinosaurs, and stories from hundreds of ancient civilizations of "dragons" as well. These were the dinosaurs.

There have been several recent finds of dinosaurs that contain soft tissue, there has even been reports of DNA being recovered. This would not be possible if dinosaurs went extinct millions of years ago. It is doubtful that DNA could even survive thousands of years, so dinosaurs could have been roaming around just a few hundred years ago.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/dinosaur.html

There have been dinosaur and human footprints found in the same location in several areas of the world. These would have had to be made within hours of each other.

True Story....that is actual "Science" and it glorifies God....Dinosaur soft-tissue will not last for "millions" of years...it will degrade...and yet, we can take some DNA samples from it...The Earth is YOUNG, and "Science" proves it...OVER and OVER and OVER....There is not, nor will there ever be a distortion between the truth of Scripture and the Revelations of "Science"...they ALWAYS agree.

Start doing some research about "Tachyons"....and how they (faster than light particles)....might be disproving some facets of Einstein's theories of relativity...The Science is there...and it will ALWAYS support Scripture. We just don't know how to look for it.
 
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Winman

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True Story....that is actual "Science" and it glorifies God....Dinosaur soft-tissue will not last for "millions" of years...it will degrade...and yet, we can take some DNA samples from it...The Earth is YOUNG, and "Science" proves it...OVER and OVER and OVER....There is not, nor will there ever be a distortion between the truth of Scripture and the Revelations of "Science"...they ALWAYS agree.

Start doing some research about "Tachyons"....and how they (faster than light particles)....might be disproving some facets of Einstein's theories of relativity...The Science is there...and it will ALWAYS support Scripture. We just don't know how to look for it.

Yes, the lady who first discovered soft dinosaur tissue originally said it argued that dinosaurs lived very recently and came under tremendous heat from the educational establishment. She changed her story to say there must be some previously unknown form of preservation science was not familiar with.

There was a nearly intact dinosaur discovered recently that still had vegatation in it's stomach.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/12/071203-dino-mummy.html

No way this dinosaur died millions of years ago, it probably died within a few hundred years.

What is amazing is that skin patterns were found that had been shown in ancient artwork, showing that ancient artists had actually seen living dinosaurs and did not make their drawings from fossils.
 

Winman

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Ancient art showing dinosaurs;

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preachinjesus

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(It also exposes glaring weaknesses in the Darwinists' depictions thereof, which is a satisfying smack down for not-preachinjesus' post.)

1. I'm not a Dawrinist.

2. Always good to see you keep an open mind to my posts. :)
 

Oldtimer

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The last sentence wasn't directed towards anyone in particular Oldtimer - I've been fossilizing a bit myself lately.

If you look closely, that little blue smiley face is winking at ya. ;)

It seems we've been to the same places but doing it in opposite directions.
I understood the 7 day creation in a simplistic way as a new Christian and over the decades have developed a broader understanding of the meaning of the creation passages.

Think you're right about different paths. As a youth I read Genesis, but didn't really think alot about it, in particular. Even after coming to Christ, the same thing. By that time I was being taught, over and over again, about Darwin's breakthrough in scientific theory. The origin of the species. Was shown the graphic of the proof in embryo development similarities in reptiles, fish, various animals, and man. A graphic that still appears in some classroom textbooks even though it has been proved that it is a fraud.

I believed Genesis 1:1 and John 3:16. I also believed what I was being taught from grade school to college. Believed what I read in "scientific" magazines and books long after I left formal schooling. Just as I believed all those Nat Geo and Discovery channel "documentaries". Being an avid science fiction fan, at the time didn't help either.

The only way I could reconcile Gen 1:1 and John 3:16 with what I though I knew for fact, was one little phrase.

Genesis 1:1 tells who created the earth. John 3:16 tell why. Evolution tells how.

I didn't even know that belief had a name, until I was challenged on my little phrase.

When it comes to dinosaurs in general, the biblical evidence is less than clear but I think we can all agree that it was 'a long time ago'.

That's why I asked the specific question. We bought our house 'a long time ago'. In this day, staying in the same place for 29 years is a long time. :eek:

Still asking, BTW. In your opinion did dinosaurs live thousand or millions of years ago?

There are many places in the Bible where evidence is less than clear. If everything was crystal clear there wouldn't be any need for faith. I can see the stapler on my desk. Therefore I don't need any faith to be assured it's right where I'm looking as I type.

Hebrews 1:1 KJB Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

While biblical evidence of dinosaurs is less than clear, physical evidence is becoming more clear as time passes. I won't repeat the links others have posted. Nor, take the time, right now, to find the links uncovered during my studies. Includes, BTW, commentary from "scientists" who disagree with them dying out 26,000 million years ago from an astroid strike in the Gulf.

Alternative scientific viewpoints that have received little, if any postive attention. Either ignored by "educators" or discounted in other demeaning ways. If I'd been given the opportunity to study or even been made aware that opposing opinions and study existed, perhaps I wouldn't have formed a hybrid belief that was incapable of sustaining itself. Most hybrids cannot faithfully reproduce copies of themselves.

If you study the issue with diligence you find that good Christians hold a great variety of opinions on this topic.

Was already aware of that long before I began studies that brought me back to God's word. It was only a few years ago that I tangled with my sister over this very issue. (Friendly engagement, BTW). Also, I've heard the Gap theory, a day is a thousand years, etc. at my own church. That thick binder filled with notes that I kept with me, while doing this study was all the "diligence" I needed. "What are you studing?" "Oh, I believe ..........".

Plus, remember, when I started this study, I was determined to prove that I was right. Therefore anyone who agreed with me was just what I was seeking. Someone else had a little different idea on that.

Merely quoting Genesis 1 won't convince anyone.

These good Christians believe the same God as you, read the same scriptures you do, they may even go to the same church you do, but they interpret the words you posted differently.

They are just as convinced that God created the universe and everything in it in six days... they just interpret the meaning of the words broadly.

Rob

I know. Genesis 1 didn't convince me either. At least not for a long time.

BECAUSE:

Last I heard, it takes about 7 years of Sunday school classes to cover the contents of the Bible. If the lesson plan used, intends to cover the Holy Book from cover to cover. Thus over a 12 year timespan to graducate from highschool how many times is the Creation week covered in SS study? Two hours maybe? How many hours, in public school would you guess is given to evolution studies? Pure speculation from long ago memories. One week per year @ 1 hour per day per week times 9 years (12 yrs - grades 1-3) = 45 hours plus an equal time for homework. 90+ hours compared to 2 or so. Easy to see why a HS diploma also carries a belief that evolution isn't just a theory. It's a FACT!

That just guesstimated study time for the topic of evolution. Doesn't include related studies that are used to reinforce the concepts of evolution.

Add to those hours all the hours in front of media screens that promote evolution. Denounce God in the classroom. Promote bunny rabbits and jolly red-suited elves and being politically correct with "Happy Holidays".

My words were not said with the thought that I'd convince anyone. I KNOW better. I know what it took to convince me. That's the reason why Proverbs 2:3-6 combined with 2 Tim 2:15 are some of my favorite Bible verses. I had help from One who knows the truth.
 
What is the age of the dinosaur fossils we regularly dig up? Did man and dinosaur coexist together? Why and when did the dinosaurs go extinct?

Thanks for your responses.

There's a rumor going about concerning hyerogliphics(sp?) showing a man with stars around his head, falling in a pool, and getting his diaper wet, and afterwards crying........seems like they think he had the name saturnneptune......btw, he was on his way to the outhouse......so Kentucky can't boast about having invented outhouses......that was their one claim to fame, and it was shot to pieces.....go figure....wait, you was raised in Kentucky, and you'd have to take your shoes off to do that......they call that Lone Oak 'rithmatic....or figgurin'..........
 
The evidence is the evidence. We find fossils of animals and plants different from what exists today. Mammoths larger than elephants are found in the frozen lands of Russia. We also find evidence that they were hunted by men using weapons. It is easy to consider some animals as relics of dinosaurs. But a whole slew of them stopped showing in the fossil record a long time ago, well before any record of man has been found.

This evidence presents a problem for YEC. They must say all the evidence has been wrongly interpreted. OEC have a similar problem because of evidence men existed more than 6000 years ago.

I guess this hockey player must have been old, too, seeing that they found him frozen in the Alps, after being missing for 14 years:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/hockey/news/2003/07/21/body_found_ap/


REGINA, Saskatchewan (AP) -- The body of a former NHL first-round draft pick who disappeared in Austria almost 14 years ago has been found frozen in the Alps.

Duncan MacPherson, who was selected 20th overall by the New York Islanders in 1984, was last seen on Aug. 9, 1989, while snowboarding on the Stubaier Glacier.

The body was discovered late last week by an employee operating a snow-grooming machine at a summer ski resort in Neustift, near the Italian border.

Just because something has been found frozen, doesn't meen it was frozen for millions of years. Scientists have to go waaaaaaaay out on a limb to even try to attempt to prove in the OEC, imo.
 

saturneptune

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There's a rumor going about concerning hyerogliphics(sp?) showing a man with stars around his head, falling in a pool, and getting his diaper wet, and afterwards crying........seems like they think he had the name saturnneptune......btw, he was on his way to the outhouse......so Kentucky can't boast about having invented outhouses......that was their one claim to fame, and it was shot to pieces.....go figure....wait, you was raised in Kentucky, and you'd have to take your shoes off to do that......they call that Lone Oak 'rithmatic....or figgurin'..........
The West Virginia Tourism Department has an opening in their Jurrasic Park Crum division. They need a convicted type 1 person to circumsize Brontosauruses and a couple of Tyrannasaurus Rexes. The pay is bad but the tips are big.

th


Come here convicted, I am waiting for you.
 
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Yeshua1

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What is the age of the dinosaur fossils we regularly dig up? Did man and dinosaur coexist together? Why and when did the dinosaurs go extinct?

Thanks for your responses.

cannot trust the carbon dating process, or just about any other dating, for the Flood and the atmopshere conditions changing made all of them pretty much useless!

And dinosaurs were recorded in history until recent times, as late as few centuries ago!
 

quantumfaith

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cannot trust the carbon dating process, or just about any other dating, for the Flood and the atmopshere conditions changing made all of them pretty much useless!

And dinosaurs were recorded in history until recent times, as late as few centuries ago!

Just for clarification, "carbon" dating would not be used for dating "dinos", as carbon 14 decay has limitations and "maxes out" at approximately 50,000 years. There are of course even with those things measured with c14 issues of contamination and rates of decay, most of these issues are clearly understood and taken into consideration as parameters.
 
The West Virginia Tourism Department has an opening in their Jurrasic Park Crum division. They need a convicted type 1 person to circumsize Brontosauruses and a couple of Tyrannasaurus Rexes. The pay is bad but the tips are big.

th


Come here convicted, I am waiting for you.

Funny thing about all the dinosaur fossils found in Ky, they still haven't found one measely tooth. Even the Ky dinosaurs were rednecks......
 

Van

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Isn't that circular reasoning akin to 'I'm right because I'm right'?

This 'fossil record' assumes too much given the sedentary layers they try to put an age on. There is a fossil of a worm penetrating through two layers. When only the layers were shown to a Darwinist he put some ridiculous date on it. When shown the worm, he was furious and attributed it to fraud.

No I did not present circular reasoning. Here is what I said:

The evidence is the evidence. We find fossils of animals and plants different from what exists today. Mammoths larger than elephants are found in the frozen lands of Russia. We also find evidence that they were hunted by men using weapons. It is easy to consider some animals as relics of dinosaurs. But a whole slew of them stopped showing in the fossil record a long time ago, well before any record of man has been found.

This evidence presents a problem for YEC. They must say all the evidence has been wrongly interpreted. OEC have a similar problem because of evidence men existed more than 6000 years ago.

The Mammoths are usually dated to about 10,000 years ago, i.e. before the Bible says Adam and Eve were created, assuming reasonable periods for each generation given in the lists of generations between Adam and Jesus. Now the date for the mammoths may be wrong, i.e. YEC say the evidence has been wrongly interpreted. OEC have a similar problem, i.e. saying the date for Adam and Eve (about 6000 years ago) has been wrongly interpreted.

But God, Job 38, says we do not know!!!!
 

HeirofSalvation

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The Mammoths are usually dated to about 10,000 years ago,
Sometimes....and then the food found in their stomachs often dates to 4500 years...same mammoth. Here's the control...Send several parts of the same mammoth to different labratories to date them, and then send the contents of their stomachs to a different lab...and and you will have about 3000 years' worth of different stories. It's been done before. Sometimes tricky sneaky YEC's have sent numerous parts of the same mammoth to numerous labs and gotten DRASTICALLY different answers: Sometimes the USSR has found and sent parts of a mammoth to several of their own labs with the same results. Several thousand year's worth of discrepancy...same animal. It happens.
Either way, their is NO COMPARISON between scientific evidence which suggests that the Earth is 10,000 years old versus evidence which suggests that animals have lived for MILLIONS of years. So, to say YEC has a 4,000 year problem is true...I'll grant you that: but to then equivocate it to the 100-million year problem that OEC'S have is nonsense.
 
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percho

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I have a thought of which I would like to hear the thoughts of each of you.

Romans 11:15 For if the casting away of them the reconciling of the world, what the receiving, but life from the dead?

There we have death relative to the reconciling of the world.

2 Cor. 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

There we have, forgiveness of sin, which brought forth death, relative to reconciling the world.

Should I understand the, "world," kosmos Strong's 1. an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order, government; to be what took place from Gen.1:3-31?

If so why was the lamb ordained before the foundation of the world (kosmos), to die before any of that was done?

It appears to me that what was ordained before and done from Genesis 1:3-31 was to bring about the reconciliation of something that had taken place in Genesis 2.
 

Oldtimer

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God is all seeing and all knowing. He knew before Genesis 1:1 what would transpire before the last verse in Revelation. IMO, after Revelation is completed, God will have achieved His objective, established before Gen 1:1.

When I plant a vegetable garden in the spring, I have a pretty good idea of the potential problems that I may encounter over the summer. Thus the question, "Why do it?" from friends who do not garden. Because the objective of gardening is the harvest. While I can only speculate in the spring, God knows His harvest that will come about in the fall.
 

Yeshua1

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Just for clarification, "carbon" dating would not be used for dating "dinos", as carbon 14 decay has limitations and "maxes out" at approximately 50,000 years. There are of course even with those things measured with c14 issues of contamination and rates of decay, most of these issues are clearly understood and taken into consideration as parameters.

true, but the fact remains that ANY dating system is problematic, as those holding to them assume there was no great flood, no change in atmosphere, that data is properily beeing screened etc!
 

quantumfaith

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true, but the fact remains that ANY dating system is problematic, as those holding to them assume there was no great flood, no change in atmosphere, that data is properily beeing screened etc!

I "assume" a great flood.
I "assume" the atmosphere has gone through significant changes over time, else there would be no life as we know it
I don't believe any scientist makes a claim absolute precision regarding radiometric dating techniques, all such techniques give "ranges" some better than others, all techniques also attempt to resolve for extraneous variables etc.
 

Aaron

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The authors provided another reason why this soft tissue is from a more ancient source than modern fungus. They found that the ratio of radioactive carbon (C-14) to non-radioactive carbon (C-12) was less than five percent of that found in living organisms. Upon death, organisms begin steadily losing C-14 from their tissues as it radioactively decays into nitrogen. Its complete decay would require only thousands of years, assuming a constant decay rate in an undisturbed system.

The researchers found plenty of C-14 in their mosasaur—enough to calculate "an age of 24,600 BP [years before present]." ... But no amount of any of these could persist after 70 million years. http://www.icr.org/article/6084/


 
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