Dinosaurs on the Ark

[evangelist6589]

Today Ken Ham had a interesting thing to say in his podcast about the Dinosaurs. According to him they were on the Ark (small ones at least) but after the ark they could not survive in the new climate of the earth. Why did the climate of the earth change after the flood? Some have said that were was more land mass and less of a sea in the pre-flood world. What do you say? There always was a sea, but perhaps much smaller at one time.

 

[Scarlett O.]

Today Ken Ham had a interesting thing to say in his podcast about the Dinosaurs. According to him they were on the Ark (small ones at least) but after the ark they could not survive in the new climate of the earth. Why did the climate of the earth change after the flood? Some have said that were was more land mass and less of a sea in the pre-flood world. What do you say? There always was a sea, but perhaps much smaller at one time.

This is just my opinion.

A lot of things changed after the Flood, not just the ability of large dinosaurs to survive. Plant species changed. They grew much smaller. The lifespan of humanity changed greatly over several generations. And it wasn't that early man lived hundreds of years as old people - they literally aged slower. The Bible cites pre-Flood people having children at ages that we consider unfathomable. And the largest of the mammals - wooley mammath, great sloths, and saber-toothed tiger - began to become extinct over time. Even laws pertaining to how the sun penetrated the earth's atmosphere changed - there were no rainbows before the Flood - apparently no refraction of light through "prisms" of atmospheric water before the Flood.

Something happened to the environment and atmosphere.

The Bible says that before the Flood, there was no rain and that the waters were in the sky. And God said, “Let there be an expanse (sky) between the waters to separate water from water.” So God made the expanse (sky) and separated the water under the expanse (sky) from the water above it. And it was so. (Genesis 1:6-7)

Some people call these waters above the sky a canopy. Others call it a shell. Whatever you wish to call it, the Bible states that it was there and that this is the reason for no rain (or at least no water falling from the expanse).

Also, it's apparent, at least to me, that this shell or canopy of tremendous amount of water interfered with solar rays being able to (1) penetrate the atmosphere in the same quantity as they do today and with the same affect on the living creatures and (2) refract through mediums such as water vapor in the air in the same way that they refract through the air.

I don't think that the changes post-Flood are due so much to land/sea changes as they are due to changes in the amount of sun's radiation levels that we are now exposed to.

 

[convicted1]

Today Ken Ham had a interesting thing to say in his podcast about the Dinosaurs. According to him they were on the Ark (small ones at least) but after the ark they could not survive in the new climate of the earth. Why did the climate of the earth change after the flood? Some have said that were was more land mass and less of a sea in the pre-flood world. What do you say? There always was a sea, but perhaps much smaller at one time.

Personally, I do not believe that dinosaurs were on the ark, but that's me. I think they were destroyed in the flood. Could the "beast" that Job spoke about have been dinosaur(it was a fire breathing dragon, I think)? If I am thinking right, many people believe the book of Job to be the oldest of all the 66 books of the bible. Could the book of Job been written pre-flood? Or better, could it have been written later, but have taken place pre-flood?

 

[Scarlett O.]

Personally, I do not believe that dinosaurs were on the ark, but that's me. I think they were destroyed in the flood. Could the "beast" that Job spoke about have been dinosaur(it was a fire breathing dragon, I think)? If I am thinking right, many people believe the book of Job to be the oldest of all the 66 books of the bible. Could the book of Job been written pre-flood? Or better, could it have been written later, but have taken place pre-flood?

I believed for many years that dinosaurs were not on the ark. But I just have to take Genesis 6:19-20 at it's literal meaning.

"And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.
Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive..."

Here's an interesting study on Job being post-Flood.

http://www.setterfield.org/Jobab's_identity.html

 

[HeirofSalvation]

I believe similarly to Scarlett on these issues...Earth's new atmosphere due to a "canopy" of ice or water being brought down....prevented many of the species to survive....I also think that man hunting down remaining Dinos...now somewhat smaller....has had a major effect on them...
I actually believe there are still some remaining dinos in the worlds oceans such as Nessie etc...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Daedalus_(1826)

 

[HeirofSalvation]

Personally, I do not believe that dinosaurs were on the ark, but that's me. I think they were destroyed in the flood. Could the "beast" that Job spoke about have been dinosaur(it was a fire breathing dragon, I think)? If I am thinking right, many people believe the book of Job to be the oldest of all the 66 books of the bible. Could the book of Job been written pre-flood? Or better, could it have been written later, but have taken place pre-flood?

Many people believe very plausibly that Job is ante-dilluvian....Some make Job to be a contemporary of Shem, Abraham or the earliest patriarchs...Both points of view are viable I believe...IT IS, the oldest Book of the Bible though..fascinating too!! Just read Scarletts article about Job being Jobab...thanks for the link :wavey::thumbs:

 

[freeatlast]

Today Ken Ham had a interesting thing to say in his podcast about the Dinosaurs. According to him they were on the Ark (small ones at least) but after the ark they could not survive in the new climate of the earth. Why did the climate of the earth change after the flood? Some have said that were was more land mass and less of a sea in the pre-flood world. What do you say? There always was a sea, but perhaps much smaller at one time.

I find it strange that God would save them just to have them perish because of climate change. That does not make sense. Also I suppose it depends on what is classified as Dinos. My guess is they became food as well as were wiped out like many species today, just plain killing sprees by man.

As to why the climate changed most likely it is because the earth tilt changed and perhaps even the rotation speed changed due to the cataclysmic events that caused the flood. The breaking up of the deep most likely means world wide enormous earthquakes. If you remember the earthquake that caused the tsunami in Japan that one alone changed the rotation of the earth slightly so my guess is that worldwide earthquakes changed it a significant amount.

 

[Scarlett O.]

I find it strange that God would save them just to have them perish because of climate change. That does not make sense.

"My thoughts are nothing like your thoughts," says the LORD. "And my ways are far beyond anything you could imagine."

Isaiah 55:8

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I find it strange that you find that strange. They didn't perish overnight, you know. And it wasn't just dinosaurs that became extinct during that era of time.

 

[HeirofSalvation]

I find it strange that God would save them just to have them perish because of climate change.

Why assume that? It seems to assume motive. Maybe he saved them to....save them....They then eventually died off, but that doesn't imply purpose. Then again, I maintain that Dinos of some sort survived for a long time after the flood. Why did God save the dodo? Because he liked the dodo!:laugh:

 

[freeatlast]

"My thoughts are nothing like your thoughts," says the LORD. "And my ways are far beyond anything you could imagine."

Isaiah 55:8

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I find it strange that you find that strange. They didn't perish overnight, you know. And it wasn't just dinosaurs that became extinct during that era of time.

Exactly! That is why He is laughing at you.

 

[freeatlast]

Why assume that? It seems to assume motive. Maybe he saved them to....save them....They then eventually died off, but that doesn't imply purpose. Then again, I maintain that Dinos of some sort survived for a long time after the flood. Why did God save the dodo? Because he liked the dodo!:laugh:

There is no evidence that climate killed off the dodo as there is no evidence that climate change has ever killed off any species. There is evidence that sudden change in weather has killed off animals and perhaps species but not climate change. As the climate changes which takes long periods of time animals simply migrate if need be.

 

[HeirofSalvation]

There is no evidence that climate killed off the dodo.

Climate did not necessarily kill off all of the dinos either....IOW...the change in climate is just that, the change in climate...God wanted to save the dino...because he wanted to save the dino...knowledge that future climate changes will inevitably result in their death does not preclude his desiring to save the dino any more than God's knowledge that man will eventually kill off the dodo would preclude his desiring to save the dodo. The dodo is merely an analogy....all analogies eventually break down, exposing the point at which an analogy may break down does not disprove the general point initially posed which the analogy is merely illustrating. You could have pointed out another place where the analogy breaks down as well: such as the fact that the "dodo" as found in latter history probably did not exist in its modern form at that time....but due to isolation and diversification eventually led to the unique species that came to be.:thumbsup:

NO climate did not kill off the dodo Man did.

 

[Arbo]

I believed for many years that dinosaurs were not on the ark. But I just have to take Genesis 6:19-20 at it's literal meaning.

Could it be they were on the ark in egg form?

 

[freeatlast]

Could it be they were on the ark in egg form?

Not according to the biblical account.

 

[Arbo]

Not according to the biblical account.

Which is? Please be specific.

 

[freeatlast]

Climate did not necessarily kill off all of the dinos either....IOW...the change in climate is just that, the change in climate...God wanted to save the dino...because he wanted to save the dino...knowledge that future climate changes will inevitably result in their death does not preclude his desiring to save the dino any more than God's knowledge that man will eventually kill off the dodo would preclude his desiring to save the dodo. The dodo is merely an analogy....all analogies eventually break down, exposing the point at which an analogy may break down does not disprove the general point initially posed which the analogy is merely illustrating. You could have pointed out another place where the analogy breaks down as well: such as the fact that the "dodo" as found in latter history probably did not exist in its modern form at that time....but due to isolation and diversification eventually led to the unique species that came to be.:thumbsup:

NO climate did not kill off the dodo Man did.

There is no evidence that world climate change killed off any species ever. We do know that local change has killed off animals in a certain local but not world climate change. Even with local change they are not killed of world wide.
More likely they were hunted to extinction

 

[freeatlast]

Which is? Please be specific.

Gen 6:19
And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every [sort] shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep [them] alive with thee; they shall be male and female.
For one thing It would be sort of difficult to look at an egg and tell what its gender would turn out to be.

 

[Arbo]

Gen 6:19
And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every [sort] shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep [them] alive with thee; they shall be male and female.
For one thing It would be sort of difficult to look at an egg and tell what its gender would turn out to be.

It would also be difficult to go out and bring back two of every species, but according to Scripture it happened.

It doesn't say each animal arrived under its own power, that is to say, they were not carried. Neither does it state that they were adults.

 

[freeatlast]

It would also be difficult to go out and bring back two of every species, but according to Scripture it happened.

It doesn't say each animal arrived under its own power, that is to say, they were not carried. Neither does it state that they were adults.

I never stated that they were adults, but I do know they were not still in eggs.

 

[Arbo]

I never stated that they were adults, but I do know they were not still in eggs.

Based on what Scripture? Or is it just a hunch?