Discussion.

[Earth Wind and Fire]

And was why I asked you what was meant by Jew. If Judaism means from Jews and Judaic means Jewish then the once Christian sect could by definition considered "Jewish."

Having already stated what I know or do not know pertaining to irrelevant content about Calvinism I was merely opening up the opportunity for you to expound and define what Calvinism and Jew means to you as if it was known.

I do not identify with Calvin, primarily because of his persecution of Servitus. My church people were persecuted in the past by many so called Christian churches so we are in effect the persecuted not the persecutors. Thus Catholics, Calvinists, Lutherans, Anglicans etc are excluded from my choices. I don’t like the Amish treatment of their children and animals , sometimes it’s brutal. The OPC told me my son that died in infancy was hellbound… and that is a direct result of their ridged doctrine (what a wake-up) and Catholics would put him in purgatory or limbo.

Then many of these churches have gone Woke ie, Methodists, Episcopal's, PCUSA as well I think SBC with their falling membership. My own chosen church the Primitive (meaning original) Baptists, I give high marks for their simplicity, dedication to scripture and just plain family orientation. You will not see a pastor , we call them elder, who do have advanced seminary degrees…rather they are standing members of their community with secular jobs to support their families, Bible studied and well versed in scripture and spirit led. And that last one I find very important.. you can practically feel the spirit speaking through these men … for the edification of the congregation ( the Children of God— that’s what we refer to ourselves as.) Very wholesome and unpretentious.

 

[Christforums]

Regarding your search, are you being spirit led? By that I mean, is the Holy Spirit really reaching out to you in a serious attempt to becoming a child of God.

Regarding your search, are you being spirit led? By that I mean, is the Holy Spirit really reaching out to you in a serious attempt to becoming a child of God. If so, that’s an elite position to identify with in both your temporal and eternal life. That call changes the heart, the understanding of what it means to be a child of God. I liken it to having a father who looks after his children… even when they are wayward. Then you begin to grow a conscience, a morality, a keen sense of right from wrong. My own teacher Rabbi is a very moral man…he even became vegan so as not to harm animals. He is deeply spiriting the sense his Judaism leads him, but he doesn’t have Christ to take him beyond his many traditions.

I have told you my own story of how the Holy Ghost reached out to me… the back story is that my younger brother had graduated from a Bible mill college and was committed to forcing me to commit to Christ via claiming him as Lord and Savior. Just say it, say you believe in Christ and I will be content was what he told me one night on my porch at 1am. Very irksome he was. I was a Roman Catholic at the time so yea I’m a believer so why this sales pitch to get those words outa me? If that was his goal he failed. I really didn’t take any of this proselytizing seriously. I still don’t think anyone can force spirituality on another unless it’s first given to you via Gods good grace. And I got that grace first hand that day in a snow storm driving home in bad weather conditions… where everything was slowed down and I listened to a CD sermon, the Method of Grace by George Whitfield. That sermon shamed me, made me at last see what Christ had done for my salvation. I stopped my car by the roadside and just cried.

So that’s what I mean, an experience that totally changes you… where you are present. An aha moment where you suddenly get it. It’s very life changing!

Spirit of the L-rd or Holy Spirit. I can say where and what I no longer want to be part of in the church. I do not want magician tricks, for example, I once walked into a church and put money in the donation or charity box. The sermon or show began and the Pastor of the church began talking and said the exact amount of cash I counted and put in the donation box. The guy behind me working the sound booth said he caught me, the Pastor like a bad case of reverb said, he caught .... and went silent. The sound booth guy was communicating with the Pastor through a headset.

Let's not go into the countless churches where deacons and members gossip and report back to the elders and Pastor for their greatest show on earth. I am seriously done w/ the church but my wife remains wanting to worship because she like most people believe Christianity has the exclusive rights to Hashem. I am tired of peoples playing religion.

I am looking forward to finding a place of corporate worship nearby, however, I will not be subject again to man and manmade church government nor will I take a vow of such leading others within such practices in any church. I am not a new Christian and was educated in a Private Roman Catholic prep school where religion classes were mandatory. Decades ago, my own historical timeline resembled the church, Roman Catholic, Gnostic, Protestant, Reformed, to independent if per say. Judaism seemingly has become the most mature descriptive practice I have yet to engage in a corporate atmosphere though I have been in synagogues.

I do appreciate your sentiments, however, I detest most Christian practices today. I am at the point in life when and where I couldn't care less whether or not I am in a church and speak my mind or put someone in their place as necessary. Don't get me wrong, I am not looking to fight but as you know Marine, too many passive aggressives today, and what's worst to me is the church has become a safe place for passive aggressiveness. I am done w/ the side ways talk rabbits, the magicians, and the secular inspired counselling etc. supplemented w/ the modern push in sorcery for prescription health care. I understand churches are not perfect, needlessly said, they are not perfect, and some are a 501k tax exempt joke.

Shalom

 

[Christforums]

I do not identify with Calvin, primarily because of his persecution of Servitus.

You realize Servetus was a stalker, wanted, and Calvin had demonstrated mercy by requesting green wood? Calvin warned Servetus not to follow him, and when Servetus was caught and sentenced to death Calvin requested, that is, he had not charged or convicted Servetus, but requested green wood. Green wood was considered more merciful because smoke inhalation more than likely killed before the flames touched the flesh.

 

[JonC]

Spirit of the L-rd or Holy Spirit. I can say where and what I no longer want to be part of in the church. I do not want magician tricks, for example, I once walked into a church and put money in the donation or charity box. The sermon or show began and the Pastor of the church began talking and said the exact amount of cash I counted and put in the donation box. The guy behind me working the sound booth said he caught me, the Pastor like a bad case of reverb said, he caught .... and went silent. The sound booth guy was communicating with the Pastor through a headset.

Let's not go into the countless churches where deacons and members gossip and report back to the elders and Pastor for their greatest show on earth. I am seriously done w/ the church but my wife remains wanting to worship because she like most people believe Christianity has the exclusive rights to Hashem. I am tired of peoples playing religion.

I am looking forward to finding a place of corporate worship nearby, however, I will not be subject again to man and manmade church government nor will I take a vow of such leading others within such practices in any church. I am not a new Christian and was educated in a Private Roman Catholic prep school where religion classes were mandatory. Decades ago, my own historical timeline resembled the church, Roman Catholic, Gnostic, Protestant, Reformed, to independent if per say. Judaism seemingly has become the most mature descriptive practice I have yet to engage in a corporate atmosphere though I have been in synagogues.

I do appreciate your sentiments, however, I detest most Christian practices today. I am at the point in life when and where I couldn't care less whether or not I am in a church and speak my mind or put someone in their place as necessary. Don't get me wrong, I am not looking to fight but as you know Marine, too many passive aggressives today, and what's worst to me is the church has become a safe place for passive aggressiveness. I am done w/ the side ways talk rabbits, the magicians, and the secular inspired counselling etc. supplemented w/ the modern push in sorcery for prescription health care. I understand churches are not perfect, needlessly said, they are not perfect, and some are a 501k tax exempt joke.

Shalom

I keep thinking about Steve Martin in Leap of Faith.

 

[Christforums]

The OPC told me my son that died in infancy was hellbound… and that is a direct result of their ridged doctrine (what a wake-up) and Catholics would put him in purgatory or limbo.

The emphasis was upon the sins in Adam probably. Augustine as well Roman Catholicism believed in baptismal regeneration. Baptismal regeneration is not a practice of the OPC, rather the doctrine is factual from a historical perspective in the Roman Catholic church to this day believing once baptismal waters touch anybody the person is regenerated. The OPC believes in Covenant baptism, the sprinkling of water is the sign and seal of the Covenant and was the promise. The water or sprinkling of water point to the hyssop and the blood.

 

[Christforums]

I keep thinking about Steve Martin in Leap of Faith.

Was hilarious, and a reminder about the roots of Pentecostalism, generally considered at least to be the religion or denomination of the uneducated.

No kidding, @JonC, after having experienced such practices I began wondering what planet peoples lived on.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Spirit of the L-rd or Holy Spirit. I can say where and what I no longer want to be part of in the church. I do not want magician tricks, for example, I once walked into a church and put money in the donation or charity box. The sermon or show began and the Pastor of the church began talking and said the exact amount of cash I counted and put in the donation box. The guy behind me working the sound booth said he caught me, the Pastor like a bad case of reverb said, he caught .... and went silent. The sound booth guy was communicating with the Pastor through a headset.

Let's not go into the countless churches where deacons and members gossip and report back to the elders and Pastor for their greatest show on earth. I am seriously done w/ the church but my wife remains wanting to worship because she like most people believe Christianity has the exclusive rights to Hashem. I am tired of peoples playing religion.

I am looking forward to finding a place of corporate worship nearby, however, I will not be subject again to man and manmade church government nor will I take a vow of such leading others within such practices in any church. I am not a new Christian and was educated in a Private Roman Catholic prep school where religion classes were mandatory. Decades ago, my own historical timeline resembled the church, Roman Catholic, Gnostic, Protestant, Reformed, to independent if per say. Judaism seemingly has become the most mature descriptive practice I have yet to engage in a corporate atmosphere though I have been in synagogues.

I do appreciate your sentiments, however, I detest most Christian practices today. I am at the point in life when and where I couldn't care less whether or not I am in a church and speak my mind or put someone in their place as necessary. Don't get me wrong, I am not looking to fight but as you know Marine, too many passive aggressives today, and what's worst to me is the church has become a safe place for passive aggressiveness. I am done w/ the side ways talk rabbits, the magicians, and the secular inspired counselling etc. supplemented w/ the modern push in sorcery for prescription health care. I understand churches are not perfect, needlessly said, they are not perfect, and some are a 501k tax exempt joke.

Shalom

Two questions… where do you live and is your wife Jewish? You can answer privately if you perfer.

 

[Christforums]

Two questions… where do you live and is your wife Jewish? You can answer privately if you perfer.

Idaho, and no my wife is not a Jewess.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

You realize Servetus was a stalker, wanted, and Calvin had demonstrated mercy by requesting green wood? Calvin warned Servetus not to follow him, and when Servetus was caught and sentenced to death Calvin requested, that is, he had not charged or convicted Servetus, but requested green wood. Green wood was considered more merciful because smoke inhalation more than likely killed before the flames touched the flesh.

I realize that Servitus was a nut but he didn’t deserve death and Calvin could have done something to secure his life. He didn’t.

 

[Christforums]

I realize that Servitus was a nut but he didn’t deserve death and Calvin could have done something to secure his life. He didn’t.

In the letters which exists between Calvin and Servetus, Calvin warned him and stated he himself has no power or authority in Geneva. Geneva at times swinged, towards Calvin and away from him. Perhaps because at times Geneva too became political. Servetus was wanted, and hunted, escaped from prison and stalked Calvin. I realize Servetus was educated and credited functions of the heart or Pulmonary system, though the eerie nature of Servetus made me wonder how he discovered if be cadavers the systems of the heart.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

The emphasis was upon the sins in Adam probably. Augustine as well Roman Catholicism believed in baptismal regeneration. Baptismal regeneration is not a practice of the OPC, rather the doctrine is factual from a historical perspective in the Roman Catholic church to this day believing once baptismal waters touch anybody the person is regenerated. The OPC believes in Covenant baptism, the sprinkling of water is the sign and seal of the Covenant and was the promise. The water or sprinkling of water point to the hyssop and the blood.

This has allot to do with wether you believe in original sin. If I did then being baptized would be critical to my child’s salvation. But I did not baptise my child thus I exposed him to hell. I put him in hell. Tell that to your wife and see if she accepts that!

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

In the letters which exists between Calvin and Servetus, Calvin warned him and stated he himself has no power or authority in Geneva. Geneva at times swinged, towards Calvin and away from him. Perhaps because at times Geneva too became political. Servetus was wanted, and hunted, escaped from prison and stalked Calvin. I realize Servetus was educated and credited functions of the heart or Pulmonary system, though the eerie nature of Servetus made me wonder how he discovered if be cadavers the systems of the heart.

I can quote Calvin verbatim if you want evidence of complicity. In any event, I personally believe he was insane and it’s not my practice to execute them. If I did so there would be allot of people lying at my feet.

 

[37818]

@Christforums,
In the summer of 1962 someone from Faith Baptist Church of Canoga Park came to the door. And invited us to their church. My Mom allowed my sister and I to obtain a ride to visit that church that following Sunday. That Sunay I accepted Christ as my Savior. The idea that I actually knew for sure was the greatest thing I ever heard. And I was 14. What did I know? It was indeed the best thing. That church influence is the reason I choose to be Baptist. And I choose to join that church in the summer of 1970.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Idaho, and no my wife is not a Jewess.

Interesting… allot of ppl moving there. My son wants to move to Oregon from Florida. He doesn’t like Florida, feels Oregon provides a better lifestyle… more wholesome. Are there any Mennonite’s there.. they are peace centered.

 

[Christforums]

If I did so there would be allot of people lying at my feet.

No objections, I had written on my site the other day we live in a time among a society when and where if we do what was right we should avoid being caught.

 

[Christforums]

@Christforums,
In the summer of 1962 someone from Faith Baptist Church of Canoga Park came to the door. And invited us to their church. My Mom allowed my sister and I to obtain a ride to visit that church that following Sunday. That Sunay I accepted Christ as my Savior. The idea that I actually knew for sure was the greatest thing I ever heard. And I was 14. What did I know? It was indeed the best thing. That church influence is the reason I choose to be Baptist. And I choose to join that church in the summer of 1970.

I hope, I do not come across as anti-Christian? Hypocrisy, has been and always will be the issue. Your testimony emphasizes your genuineness and sincerity at your age regardless of innocence or discernment. You are blessed with community, and hopefully, in holiness worship the Most Holy.

Shalom,
William

 

[Christforums]

Interesting… allot of ppl moving there. My son wants to move to Oregon from Florida. He doesn’t like Florida, feels Oregon provides a better lifestyle… more wholesome. Are there any Mennonite’s there.. they are peace centered.

No Mennonites, when we arrived here back in 2019 couldn't go ten blocks without running into a church. Now can't go five blocks without running into a medical facility. Socialized medicine is taking over.... .

This area was considered a few years ago to be the fastest growing and most lucrative to invest in of anyplace in the U.S. The area has developed at a rapid rate and new demographics want to change the area. The area which was "Christian," has become a central focus and target. Idaho doesn't need fixing was a slogan on a T-shirt a few years back.

 

[37818]

I hope, I do not come across as anti-Christian? Hypocrisy, has been and always will be the issue. Your testimony emphasizes your genuineness and sincerity at your age regardless of innocence or discernment. You are blessed with community, and hopefully, in holiness worship the Most Holy.

Shalom,
William

I was only trying to understand your point of view.

I won't go onto details. But I was a member at Faith Baptist only until the fall of 1978. I had moved my membership to Central Baptist Church of Pomona. In about 2002 or so I moved from Pomona. I attended other churches closer to wherever I was living.

Currently I live in Highland CA. And am attending Highland Baptist Temple.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

No objections, I had written on my site the other day we live in a time among a society when and where if we do what was right we should avoid being caught.

Well most of the evil ppl have names & addresses brother​

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

No Mennonites, when we arrived here back in 2019 couldn't go ten blocks without running into a church. Now can't go five blocks without running into a medical facility. Socialized medicine is taking over.... .

This area was considered a few years ago to be the fastest growing and most lucrative to invest in of anyplace in the U.S. The area has developed at a rapid rate and new demographics want to change the area. The area which was "Christian," has become a central focus and target. Idaho doesn't need fixing was a slogan on a T-shirt a few years back.

Oh my, of course…where else would you put all the undereducated and unproductive medical students looking for work? Wow just wow… human pollution glut.