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JonC

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The protests are against coerced vaccines and mandates.
I'm sure they are (I'm against coerced vaccination also).

But they were keeping people who wanted to get a vaccine from getting a vaccine. They were harassing nurses and trying to shut down the facility (that was offering vaccines for any who wanted them).

Let's not pretend they were peacefully protesting coerced vaccinations. They are thugs harassing medical staff offering vaccinations, preventing people who chose to get vaccinated from being vaccinated.
 

Reformed1689

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No. They can only administer the Pfizer vacvine which is not experimental and has been approved safe for 16+ by the FDA.

I'm sure other vaccines will be approved in the future.
It may be approved. That does not mean it is not experimental in reality. Judging by how ineffective it is, I'd say the experiment failed.
 

Revmitchell

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The protests are against coerced vaccines and mandates.

it doesn’t matter whatever stupid thing they are doing the only reason it gets brought up is t paint everyone who is against the vaccine as being like them. This is without regard to the fact that the amount of people doing this kind of thing is minuscule and not a factor other than these isolated incidents. It’s what the left does. It’s dishonest.
 

Reynolds

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it doesn’t matter whatever stupid thing they are doing the only reason it gets brought up is t paint everyone who is against the vaccine as being like them. This is without regard to the fact that the amount of people doing this kind of thing is minuscule and not a factor other than these isolated incidents. It’s what the left does. It’s dishonest.
I agree. I still will not dismiss the fact that the left caused this problem in the first place.
 

Reynolds

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I'm sure they are (I'm against coerced vaccination also).

But they were keeping people who wanted to get a vaccine from getting a vaccine. They were harassing nurses and trying to shut down the facility (that was offering vaccines for any who wanted them).

Let's not pretend they were peacefully protesting coerced vaccinations. They are thugs harassing medical staff offering vaccinations, preventing people who chose to get vaccinated from being vaccinated.
I thought the left considered that behavior as "peacefully protesting".
 

JonC

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It may be approved. That does not mean it is not experimental in reality. Judging by how ineffective it is, I'd say the experiment failed.
Obviously it is not experimental (no more than a flu shot which changes at least on an annual basis is "experimentsl").

As it stands the Pfizer shot is 88% to 95% effective and the Moderna shot is 90% to 94% effective, the J&J shot 72% effective. That is not bad for a vaccine. And the risk of serious side effects is .026 %.

One is over 100 times more likely to die from covid than have a serious side effect from one of the 3 vaccines. And the vaccines have proven more effective than the flu vaccines.
 

JonC

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I thought the left considered that behavior as "peacefully protesting".
They do. I'm not of that persuasion. They are criminals.

I thought you were conservative and thought that behavior was criminal. Did you switch sides?
 

Reformed1689

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Obviously it is not experimental (no more than a flu shot which changes at least on an annual basis is "experimentsl").

As it stands the Pfizer shot is 88% to 95% effective and the Moderna shot is 90% to 94% effective, the J&J shot 72% effective. That is not bad for a vaccine. And the risk of serious side effects is .026 %.

One is over 100 times more likely to die from covid than have a serious side effect from one of the 3 vaccines. And the vaccines have proven more effective than the flu vaccines.
Whatever makes you sleep at night Jon.
 

just-want-peace

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———And the risk of serious side effects is .026 %. ———
Now what source - that is guaranteed to be accurate - gives this (??) FACT (??)!?!?!?

I find it ridiculous that “serious side effects” can be posited with no LONG TERM effects known!

You are stating, as fact, something that is impossible to KNOW at this stage.

You readily condemn others for doing this exact thing — “PHYSICIAN, HEAL THYSELF!”
 

Reformed1689

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Now what source - that is guaranteed to be accurate - gives this (??) FACT (??)!?!?!?

I find it ridiculous that “serious side effects” can be posited with no LONG TERM effects known!

You are stating, as fact, something that is impossible to KNOW at this stage.

You readily condemn others for doing this exact thing — “PHYSICIAN, HEAL THYSELF!”
Exactly. There's good reason this normally takes 10 years.
 

Reynolds

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They do. I'm not of that persuasion. They are criminals.

I thought you were conservative and thought that behavior was criminal. Did you switch sides?
I am not conservative. I am fundamentalist and strict constructionist. A conservative wants to maintain the current norm. I want to return to the ideals and functional operations of the founders. I guess you might could consider me neo-con but that does not exactly fit either.
 

Reynolds

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Obviously it is not experimental (no more than a flu shot which changes at least on an annual basis is "experimentsl").

As it stands the Pfizer shot is 88% to 95% effective and the Moderna shot is 90% to 94% effective, the J&J shot 72% effective. That is not bad for a vaccine. And the risk of serious side effects is .026 %.

One is over 100 times more likely to die from covid than have a serious side effect from one of the 3 vaccines. And the vaccines have proven more effective than the flu vaccines.
I guess if you totally dismiss the VAERS reports you can use those numbers. Of course you are assuming all the Covid deaths are Covid deaths.
If Covid is so deadly, how have I survived it twice with NO known long term effects.
My 80 year old aunt and my 91 or 92 year old aunt both breezed through Covid. Unvaxed. Both have about every comorbidity on the list.
Maybe some of these areas where Covid is so fatal should get their heads out of the tails of the CDC, wake up, and treat Covid the way that actually works.
That won't happen because sheeple won't get vaxed if they see that Covid is not the big bad wolf and is highly treatable.
 

Reynolds

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Ah.....sorry, I misunderstood ya.

I would not expect much flu as covid is more contageous (it'd be like putting up a steel net to stop red fish and being shocked large sharks didn't make it through).

That saud; it is unfortunate that so many have had the flu and died of the flu. I wonder if people will bypass flu shots thinking the covid vaccines will somehow prevent influenza.

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I don't know, the sheep lining up for the vax don't seem to be thinking. Just following the Judas goat.
I am going to rush out to get vaxed against a 99.97% survivable virus that I have had twice?????
 
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Silverhair

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The consequences must be logical. When a vax does not stop or even meaningfully slow transmission, the consequences are serving no purpose other than a punitive coercion to force one to give up liberty.

If your vax works, why do you care about who is and is not vaxed.

That has to be one of the dumbest things I have seen on this thread. You may not care about your fellow man but I do. That you would even say such a thing says a lot.
 
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