I demonstrated why Acts 2:38 refers to our spiritual baptism into Christ's spiritual body, and you chose to ignore it.
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Dispensational help with with Acts 2:38
- Thread starter JD731
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Your quote at once reveals why you are having trouble distinguishing differences and someone in eternity will pay for obscuring the word of God as in done in your translation.
Here is the correct rendering of Ephesians 1:13;
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
These two verses do not say the same thing and whatever you are quoting is not better than a bad commentary. Paul did not say the gentiles, to whom the "ye" refers in this epistle, were sealed "in him." He said ye are sealed "with" him, and that after ye trusted him, which is the definition of believing. This is much different from your quotation of Eph 1:13 that we are sealed in him. Now, since these are foundational truths to Christianity and an apostle is purported to have written them, we cannot tolerate them being quoted wrong. The scriptures is where we test the truth, not where we edit it.
Van, this Acts 19 is a continuing story concerning water baptism of Israel in the transitional days of the apostles and the beginning of this new age. I am not going to say anything about Apollos now but he was an important part of this story. Acts 19 is many years later than Acts 2 and Acts 8 when we saw Israel being commanded by the apostles to repent and be baptized in water for the remission of sins and they would receive the Holy Ghost. Now, we have the apostle Paul saying and doing the same thing Peter did in those earlier times. Read it;
Acts 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
7 And all the men were about twelve.
Van, binding and loosing, remitting and retaining, the authority of the apostles that our Lord gave to them as the foundation of the church. Paul was no less than the original apostles and shared in their office as an equal. He said so here;
Ga 2:1 Then fourteen years after I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and took Titus with me also.
2 And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.
3 But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised:
4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:
5 To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.
6 But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man's person
for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me:
7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles
9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
10 Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do.
If this does not convince you that a water baptism was taking place then nothing will. But thank you for the discussion. I learned some things I pray the Lord is pleased with the tone of our words. This is all I plan on saying on the thread unless I find a need to address something going forward.
Matt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Next verse - Don't tell them I am Messiah because the church is not the physical kingdom of Jesus Christ.
John 20:21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
Acts 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
7 And all the men were about twelve.
Van, binding and loosing, remitting and retaining, the authority of the apostles that our Lord gave to them as the foundation of the church. Paul was no less than the original apostles and shared in their office as an equal. He said so here;
Ga 2:1 Then fourteen years after I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and took Titus with me also.
2 And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.
3 But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised:
4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:
5 To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.
6 But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man's person
for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles
9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
10 Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do.
If this does not convince you that a water baptism was taking place then nothing will. But thank you for the discussion. I learned some things I pray the Lord is pleased with the tone of our words. This is all I plan on saying on the thread unless I find a need to address something going forward.
Matt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Next verse - Don't tell them I am Messiah because the church is not the physical kingdom of Jesus Christ.
John 20:21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
Yet another taint so post, while still not explaining how an individual is indwelt without first being baptized spiritually into Christ.
If you are not going to address my view, I have nothing more I can say.
Sir, I am sorry but this post of yours presents a profound inability to grasp the message. The verse starts out, In whom, or in Him. Now that refers to having been placed within Christ's spiritual body. You do not even address it, but ignore it. Next the sealing material is the Holy Spirit, thus with the Holy Spirit and not with water. I could go on but it is pointless, you seem unwilling to accept God's word.
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What ever argument you made you did not post it to me
Acts 2:38, ". . . Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. . . ." It is totally irrational. No person has in the one's power to cause one's self to be baptized with the Holy Spirit in order to receive the Holy Spirit as a gift. Utter nonsense.