There is also the escape clause given byt he Lord for outright abandonment, not willing to live with a saved spouse!
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Divorce and Remarriage
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Also, I believe if the offendee can forgive the offendor then the marriage breech is healed and they can continue as husband and wife.
He said the scoundrel divorced her, committed adultery. Wouldn't she be allowed to remarry, in the Lord of course, seeing he committed adultery? Granted, no one is under compulsion to remarry.
But she did not divorce him for adultery or for any other reason. He divorced her. Therefore there is no divorce.
But she did not divorce him for adultery or for any other reason. He divorced her. Therefore there is no divorce.
He left her after he committed adultery. How would she punished, committing sin, when the divorce was not of her doing and remarried? Please expound.
I love my wife, but if she cheated on me, and left with another man, and filed for divorce, then what could I do? I am thinking that even if I refused to sign the divorce papers, they can go ahead and do it w/o my signature.
By that logic, I could not remarry, even if it was to another Christian lady.
If you walked out on your wife and there was no divorce would she be eligible to marry another?
Absolutely not. But according to that scenario, IIRC, he divorced her. Maybe I missed something?
1689Dave
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Jesus said all of your rationalizations are wrong when he said the innocent wife, divorced by the adulterous husband, committed adultery when she remarried her 2nd husband. She made him an adulterer because she was still married for life. Divorce = separation, and nothing more.
1689Dave
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It was her conscience. She was G.A.R.B.C. and some of those teach against remarriage. One of my recent Pastors of the same affiliation taught likewise.
1689Dave
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But, you are giving broad latitude to “But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases" (1 Corinthians 7:15) (KJV 1900) that does not square with “But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.” (1 Corinthians 7:11) (KJV 1900)
Not really. If Paul says a brother or sister is not bound in such cases, he doesn't contradict himself and then say they are bound.
He doesn't imply that his teaching that it is not good for man (or woman), who was not created to be alone, to burn, doesn't apply to those in unhappy circumstances where they are married to an unbeliever. It makes a complete farce of his teaching.
God bless.
1689Dave
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But he doesn't define "not bound" as being free to remarry. You do that for him, putting words in his mouth. He elsewhere says in essence Death alone breaks the marriage bond. Please note that divorce does not break the marriage bond. It only separates married couples from each other.
He only thought he divorced her. The divorce was not valid so according to God they were still married.
atpollard
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Is a marriage between two unsaved people really a marriage?
It is certainly a legal contract under civil law, but has God actually joined two lost people to each other in a lifelong covenant with Him?
It seems wrong to hold the unsaved to Christian standards. Sinners behave like sinners, that is evidence they are still in need of a savior rather than having already been transformed by the renewing of their heart and mind.
We should also not loose sight of the fact that adultery is not the unforgivable sin (fortunately for every man who has ever looked at a woman with lust in his eye and committed adultery in his heart).
It is certainly a legal contract under civil law, but has God actually joined two lost people to each other in a lifelong covenant with Him?
It seems wrong to hold the unsaved to Christian standards. Sinners behave like sinners, that is evidence they are still in need of a savior rather than having already been transformed by the renewing of their heart and mind.
We should also not loose sight of the fact that adultery is not the unforgivable sin (fortunately for every man who has ever looked at a woman with lust in his eye and committed adultery in his heart).
So, since it was he who cheated and sought the divorce, she is not eligible for remarriage? So, she is to remain unmarried, even though she was the innocent party?
I ask these questions to further the discussion. Please expound.
As they are still married, no, she cannot marry another.
As she is still married, she can't marry another.
I am not sure I agree with interpretation.
Here's why. If my wife up and leaves me for someone else, she was the one who violated/broke the covenant. She was the one who sinned, not I. Seeing that I would no longer be yoked to her in holy matrimony, I am free to remarry, so long as it is in the Lord.
I am talking about one being a believer and not to unbelievers.
I would no longer be married to her.
It would no different than Paul's writing in 1 Cor. 7. If the unbelieving person leaves, a Brother or Sister is not in bondage in such cases.
I'm not going to bother reading this entire thread, but has it been mentioned that the exception clause uses the term "fornication" [porneia]? Clearly that is more that adultery in the flesh committed. Would it apply if you found your spouse had screwed somebody else before you married him/her? Does it apply to lust, as Jesus said that was adultery? If it means sexual immorality, would it apply if you knew your spouse has looked at pornography before? And even in adultery, if you have told your spouse you forgive, can that be revoked as a reason for divorce? and if it's really an excuse for divorce, for which the motive is 'getting tired' of the marriage or being attracted to someone else, is it still valid?-- keeping mind that human beings are not telepathic and cannot know another persons' thoughts for sure... in which case are we to believe the reason/excuse because we cannot prove otherwise?
But to the rest I say, not the Lord, that if any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, he must not divorce her. And a woman who has an unbelieving husband, and he consents to live with her, she must not send her husband away. For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband; for otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy. Yet if the unbelieving one leaves, let him leave; the brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases, but God has called us to peace. For how do you know, O wife, whether you will save your husband? Or how do you know, O husband, whether you will save your wife?[1 Corinthians 7:12-16]
We can see here, Brother @TCassidy, that Paul is instructing believers who have unbelieving spouses to remain with their spouse so long as they are content to remain with them. Yet, if they choose to leave, let them leave, they are not bound to them any longer. Now, reconciliation should always be sought first and foremost, but some ppl just won't remain with their spouse. And the unbelieving spouse that leaves, leaves, and the believing spouse is no longer in bondage to that deserter.
We can see here, Brother @TCassidy, that Paul is instructing believers who have unbelieving spouses to remain with their spouse so long as they are content to remain with them. Yet, if they choose to leave, let them leave, they are not bound to them any longer. Now, reconciliation should always be sought first and foremost, but some ppl just won't remain with their spouse. And the unbelieving spouse that leaves, leaves, and the believing spouse is no longer in bondage to that deserter.
1689Dave
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Yes, the marriage consists in the ceremony. Jesus turned water into wine at a marriage.
“And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there: And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage.” (John 2:1–2) (KJV 1900)
So it is an adulterous marriage.