Do All Dogs Go To Heaven?

[OnlyaSinner]

Actually the "pouf-pouf" haircuts were used for poodles when they were used for hunting, especially as water retrievers.

They had too much natural hair, which would get waterlogged and drag them under when they went into water to retrieve the birds brought down by the hunters.

But cutting all the fur off made it too cold for the dogs and they would develop arthritis at an early age. So the hunters began leaving the fur around the front shoulders to keep them warm to ward off the arthritis.

The facial hair was cut very short to it did not cover they eyes or get in the way of their mouth, used to retrieve ducks and other game.

Thanks for the added info - a day I haven't learned something is a day I've wasted. (Not original, but I don't know who said it first.) That doesn't explain the cuff patches, which would seem to hinder swimming. Maybe those were later additions for dog shows.

 

[Reynolds]

You just needed to "EXERCISE" that demon out of them... Brother Glen

I did. They both fell upon lethal misfortune.

 

[TCassidy]

That doesn't explain the cuff patches, which would seem to hinder swimming. Maybe those were later additions for dog shows.

They were to protect the hocks (wrist joints on a human) which were most susceptible to arthritis.

 

[Felipe Rios]

I don't have a specific verse but based on what I have read, animals do NOT go to heaven. Their soul returns to the earth like Eccl.3:21 states. The spirit and soul of man is eternal, animal's soul is not.

 

[Adonia]

This is another one of the mysteries of life and one day we will surely know the correct answer. But really, why not? Cats and dogs and all other animals playing lovingly together!

 

[rsr]

Do I believe that all dogs go to heaven? No, for the reason Doc has mentioned. But when God created the world, and all the creatures in it, he saw that it was good. Why would God not therefore make a place for his other creations in the New Earth?

 

[TCassidy]

Do I believe that all dogs go to heaven? No, for the reason Doc has mentioned. But when God created the world, and all the creatures in it, he saw that it was good. Why would God not therefore make a place for his other creations in the New Earth?

I believe the New Earth will be a recreation of the old Earth including the animals. I am sure there will be dogs and cats, just not the same ones we enjoyed here on the old Earth.

 

[robycop3]

Dogs or cats not kept by people do things that, if done by people, would be considered cruel or sinful. They catch prey and often begin eating it while it's still alive. They "bathroom' in public. They fornicate in public. They sometimes attack other creatures for the sole reason "they can".

They have better vocal cords than we do, but don't say a word. And, have any of you ever tried to baptize a cat?

I don't believe the horses of heaven are the familiar earthly equus.

And there's absolutely no evidence that any animal has a SOUL. I believe God created animals for man's use; after all, God gave man animals for "meat". (Gen. 9:3)

So, no, I don't believe dogs go to heaven; I believe their "spirit" dies when their bodies do.

 

[Deacon]

the grossly mutated kind ... like poodles .

Tongue in cheek, obviously. Said mutation comes solely from the groomer's shears. Poodles were originally bred as sporting dogs, very good in the water. The pouf-pouf haircuts came way later.
(Other than that, your post makes a lot of sense.)

My sis breeds Portuguese Water Dogs [Torrid Zone], originally raised to herd fish into the fisherman's nets.
They're a distant relative of poodles but she'd be angry if she knew I told you that that!
The breed goes way back - a description of the most common 'lion's mane cut' goes well back into the Middle Ages.
Like Tom said, it keeps their body warm and their hind quarters free to work.
A Poodle's fancy pouffy cuts are more artistic creations.

Rob

 

[Adonia]

They have better vocal cords than we do, but don't say a word. And, have any of you ever tried to baptize a cat?

Cats can indeed talk human, there is just a universal agreement between them not to talk to us so we can continue to wonder what they are really all about.

 

[FollowTheWay]

This has always been a serious question for me because like all of you dog-lovers they have been very significant to me as companions and friends. My avatar is Jessie who died over a year and a half ago. I named her after my Dad's mother who I never met because she died two months after I was born. She was my second Golden. Three months ago I finally got my third. I named he Ellie thinking about my mother's middle name, Eleanor, and "Miss Ellie" from the Andy Griffith show. I said this on another thread that I named her 3-4 months before I got here. Looked all over (NY, GA, KY, FL, SC). She came from a breeder 30 miles outside Mayberry (Mt. Airy, NC)! Maybe I'll update my picture for Ellie but we haven't gone on any hikes in the mountains yet. The limiting factor this time will be me.

 

[David Kent]

No.

1: Cats and dogs are unclean animals.

• Leviticus 11:27 And whatsoever goeth upon his paws, among all manner of beasts that go on all four, those are unclean unto you: whoso toucheth their carcase shall be unclean until the even.

2 Dogs are outside the new Jerusalem

• Revelation 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

See what they are compared with.

I don't believe that Rev 6 is speaking about heaven.

 

[SovereignGrace]

This is something I have struggled with. On July 7, we had to have our beloved Pug put to sleep. She was the love of our lives, seeing we cant have any children. We treated her like royalty, spoiled her to excess, and she knew it.

We had found out about a month before she was diabetic. They kept having us increase her insulin(vetsulin) up weekly. It went from 6 cc's twice daily, to 7, then 8. She went into DKA(look it up), and the vets thought she also had Cushing's syndrome, which makes it a lot harder to regulate blood sugar.

We have cried until our eyes were raw. On the way to the vet I begged God to give her my health and strike me down. I am 46 and have lived a good life, so give her my life.

I want so much to believe that our Lexie will be there, but not that heaven will be any less joyous w/o her there, but so she could be there in eternal joy. I know she won't and in that eternal day, I will never miss her. Here I am still grieving, still crying, though not as much. But still miss our baby.

 

[tyndale1946]

Well I know one thing without a doubt "SHEEP" will be in heaven... Goats will not make it!... That is scripture and the only thing I have to say to that is... BAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!... Brother Glen

 

[agedman]

This is purely opinion.

I recon that God's creation of the new world will include animals, just as did this both before the fall and after the deluge


Therefore, it would not be uncharacteristic of God's ways to include animals and even the form of pets that were part of our lives. More often those given at time when we especially had need.

The bears of Elisha, the ravens of Elijah, the donkey of Balaam, fish of Jonah, ...

Does not the Scripture speak of God's awareness and care of even the animals?

Why then would he not create a world full of the wonderful creations (even pets) that we may rejoice even more of His Grace.

 

[percho]

I believe the New Earth will be a recreation of the old Earth including the animals. I am sure there will be dogs and cats, just not the same ones we enjoyed here on the old Earth.

Why do you think you took in the dogs you did?

Do you believe God had anything to do with you doing so?

I ask because I have wound up with some wonderful pets with there being no, "reason," for me having had them.

 

[righteousdude2]

I have had some pretty good pets over the years. All of them rescues.

But I also think the bible tells us their fate. Ecclesiastes 3:21 “The spirit of man that ascends, it belongs to on high; but the spirit of the beast that descends, it belongs to below, even to the earth.”

That seems to say that the spirit of man is eternal but the spirit of the beast is temporal. The spirit of man goes upward to judgment/reward and the spirit of the beast returns to the soil from which its remote ancestor was created.

I would like to think I will see Rogue, Max, Teddy, Sammy, Gus, Fremont, Bailey, King, Twinkie, Tammy, Snoopie, Snowball, and many, many others, but the above seems to be saying differently.

I am open to be convinced, though.

You side-stepped the issue quite well by saying there will be animals in heaven just NOT those we have cared for and loved in this lifetime. I do not agree with that any more then I agree that certain gifts of the Spirit were ended in Acts. Now, I am sure you will vehemently disagree and wow us with your understanding of scripture, but, I think the following link is fairly clear, and provides good basis to put your one scripture to shame;
Do Animals or Pets Go To Heaven? A Biblical Analysis

Plus I firmly believe that if God cares for the mere sparrow, the heavenly progression of pets is quite possible. Especially if the Psalmist is correct when he writes in 36:5-7, "your loving-kindness, O LORD, extends to the heavens, Your faithfulness reaches to the skies. 6Your righteousness is like the mountains of God; Your judgements are like the great deep; O Lord; You preserve [both] man and beast. 7How precious is Your loving-kindness, O God! And the children of men take refuge in the shadow of Your wings.…" NASB

Eccl. 3:19 "For what happens to the children of man and what happens to the beasts is the same; as one dies, so dies the other. They all have the same breath, and man has no advantage over the beasts, for all is vanity."

I believe that scripture is rather mum especially the NT, so, like a lot of things in scripture that are not so conclusive, either way, the final understanding is left up to faith, and imagination, and if you want to believe your favorite pets are not going to be in heaven, so be it ... however, when it comes to my kiddos, they will be there in glory, because that is the kind of God I believe in! Now, my good doc, have fun and rip the article and the verses provided within to shreds. But, when all is said and done, in my view and my opinion, my dogs and cats will be there, BUT, let me pass to you my condolences about your family pets who didn't make it?!

Some additional reading on the subject:

http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/pets.sht

In closing, the following is my favorite, and may be rather difficult for you to refute, but I am sure you will give it the good old college seminary try. Right doc? Scripture and Bible verses concerning pets and animals

 

[TCassidy]

Why do you think you took in the dogs you did?

Because they needed a home. Mankind has domesticated the dog, and by so doing have bred out of it all the necessary ability to fend for itself.

It may not mean much in the overall scheme of things, but to the dogs we took in it meant, food, shelter, health, companionship, and a long and comfortable life.

It is the least we could do out of respect for God's creation.

 

[righteousdude2]

Because they needed a home. Mankind has domesticated the dog, and by so doing have bred out of it all the necessary ability to fend for itself.

It may not mean much in the overall scheme of things, but to the dogs we took in it meant, food, shelter, health, companionship, and a long and comfortable life.

It is the least we could do out of respect for God's creation.

Does that mean the mankind bred out of the wolf the innate instinct to survive, and this is our attempt to make up for doing that? That has merit, but, do you think God may not have intended for man to do just that? Good point on your behalf, but, it doesn't take into consideration God's overall will. I look forward to sitting down with you in glory brother, because I honestly want to hear your response to some of the things you were so wrong about!

I already know I will be seriously enlightened, but, I get the idea that you don't believe you will have anything to be enlightened over! Or, do I misread your meaning?

 

[Rolfe]

http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/pets.sht

Link does not seem to work.