Do Catholic Priests ever say read your Bible?

[Jim1999]

I wonder how many baptists actually read the bible, or Anglicans, or United Church folk.....I think the accusation can be pointed in any direction.

Most of my parishioners own bibles, but they seldom read them on a regular bases...and in baptist churches, some of us preachers have to help people find the book being preached from.

Better not to point the finger too firmly in any direction.

Cheers,

Jim

 

[mcneely]

Originally posted by DHK:
Kelly, I would appreciate an answer to my post.
Are you a Catholic or a Baptist? What church do you attend? What is the name of it?
DHK

DHK, I know you're a moderator, but you're really hounding. All she said was that Catholics read their bibles more since Vatican II. Maybe she knows Catholics, or has Catholic family. Or just maybe, she's not a raging anti-Catholic like SOME people. I've posted a lot about my stand on how silly anti-Catholicism is, and I'm Baptist. Why didn't you demand these answers from me?

 

[Born Again Catholic]

Born again Catholic,
what a dumb thing for you to say to me.

Claudia you said you went to a Catholic Church but never heard anything about Jesus dying for our sins, I gave you quotes of things that you would of heard at every Catholic Mass if you actually went. Thus for you to continue to leave your statement out there without retraction about never hearing about Jesus dying for our sins at a Catholic church, proves that you are either a liar or suffering some sort of problem with your memory. I will assume you mind is suffering from being member of the SDA cult and that you don't purposely lie.

 

[mcneely]

The notion of Christ's death for us on the Cross not being mentioned in the Catholic Church is absolute Rubbish. People in here are either not being truthful of their so-called "experiences" in the Catholic Church, or they have had run-ins with some poor parishes. But of course, if there are problems in the particular parish, The entire Catholic Church is wrong, correct?....um, no.

Let me tell you about some of MY experiences of some BAPTIST churches I attended while trying to find a home church. In one of them, the assistant Pastor was filling in this particular Sunday morning, and in his message, he stated ver batem: "All Homosexuals need only two things from God, A tall tree and a short Rope!" While most of the congregation Amen-ed and nodded excitedly. In another, a couple of Sundays later, One of the Deacons was addressing the Church about the "unfair" allegations concerning the Pastor and Youth director's inappropriate activities with some of the teenage girls on a youth trip. He assured the Church that he would inform them as soon as he hears when the Pastor plans to come back from his sudden trip to Florida.

These Churches are in desperate need of spiritual help. But guess what? I'm still Baptist. Because I wouldn't let those Churches speak for the whole denomonation.

 

[DHK]

Originally posted by mcneely:
I've posted a lot about my stand on how silly anti-Catholicism is, and I'm Baptist. Why didn't you demand these answers from me?

You do make a lot of pro-Catholic posts don't you mc? I never understand how a Baptist can agree with Catholic doctrine, but that is another discussion.
Your discussions with me have been primarily doctrinal, like the issue of Catholics and ecumenism. The information about the Catholic Church becoming ecumenical has been in the media, the newspapers, evangelical papers, Catholic journals, etc. It is easy to gather information on it and form an opinion. It is a theological matter, not a matter of personal information.

When a person speaks from personal experience I would like to know how they know what they state, where they get their information from. If they speak like a Catholic, act like a Catholic, etc. good chance she is a Catholic.
The bottom line is:
Be able to document your information, back up what you say.
DHK

 

[KellyWhite]

Originally posted by DHK:
Kelly, I would appreciate an answer to my post.
Are you a Catholic or a Baptist? What church do you attend? What is the name of it?
DHK

I attend the First Baptist Church in Dallas.

I was raised in the Catholic church. I have converted to the Baptist church for the benefit of my Baptist fiance and my future marriage.

BTW, what difference does it make? Are you afraid of Catholics? They're really quite harmless. Cahtolics have no hard feelings toward the Jews. I don't understand why Baptists have such a big problem with Catholics. They're no threat to Baptists.

I'M HERE TO LEARN!!!!!

 

[KellyWhite]

Originally posted by DHK:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by KellyWhite:
You bet your bottom dollar Catholics read the Bible. Prior to Vatican II, many Catholics drifted away from Bible reading. That is no longer the case.

Kelly, be honest with me. Your profile is Baptist. Are you Baptist? By your post you sound like a Catholic. Otherwise how could you post such personal information? An explanation would be appreciated.
Do Catholics read their Bibles? No they don't. How do I know? I was a Catholic for 20 years. We (as a family) never even owned a Bible. After 20 years of Catholicism I was Biblically illiterate. I was familiar with what was spoon fed me in the catechism, but not the Bible.
What about now. All of my extended family is still Catholic: parents, brothers, sisters, etc. Do any of them read the Bible? Not a chance! Nor are they encouraged to. The Catholic Church does not encourage the reading of the Bible. So why do you post they do? Where do you get your source of information? Are you a Catholic defending your own faith?

It is recommended that Catholics read a chapter of the Bible a day.

By whom? And who follows that recommendation? Some preachers may recommend that we read through the Bible once a week. But how many people follow that recommendation. Just because it is recommended doesn't mean that Catholics do it.

You don't see Catholics carrying their Bibles to church because much of the practice of the Catholic faith is done throughout the day and the week at home. Bible reading, praying and reflection takes place is a Cahtolic's life throughout the day.

This is your testimony. You are so well acquainted with the Catholic life that you are one, correct? I want you to come clean on this. How would you know this information unless you are a Catholic, or are you just blowing off steam, speaking of things that you know nothing about??

Now for reality. How is a Catholic different from any other homo sapien that wanders this earth? He isn't. The fact that he doesn't carry his Bible is just evidence that he probably doesn't have a Bible to carry.
A Catholic doesn't carry a Bible to Mass because there is no need for a Catholic to have a Bible at the Mass. The only thing that a Catholic may ever have need is their Missal, and that is about all.
The Catholic is like any other person. He will go home, have dinner, watch television, or spend time behind his computer, spend time with his family, go to bed, get up in the morning, go to work, etc. And basically the Bible and prayer will remain untouched during the week. At Mass once a week he will hear a couple of readings from the Bible and a homilie from the priest which will be enough to fill his spiritual needs for another week unless he is devout enough to go to confession that week.
The Catholic is no different than anyone else, and usually a whole lot less religious. He goes to church once a week, doesn't read a Bible, and rarely takes the time to think about God the rest of the week unless he is in trouble.

Bible reading, praying and reflection takes place is a Cahtolic's life throughout the day.

Now where did you get this information from? Is it first hand? Are you the Catholic? Is this the way that you order your life--as a Catholic?
DHK </font>[/QUOTE]I was raised in the Catholic church. My parents and parish priests stressed the Bible as much as the CCC. I attended an excellent parish in the DFW area that made Bible study available to all who were interested and any other means of religious education desired. This past Holy Week, I missed the beautiful re-enactments of the events leading up to Christ's crucifixion and His resurrection.

You are making generalizations about Catholics that are not true. Perhaps, as a Catholic, you did not seek out the Bible and was satisfied with the bare minimum that was forced upon you in catechism. Your religious life is what you make it. I'm sorry for you.

 

[mcneely]

Originally posted by DHK:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mcneely:
I've posted a lot about my stand on how silly anti-Catholicism is, and I'm Baptist. Why didn't you demand these answers from me?

You do make a lot of pro-Catholic posts don't you mc? I never understand how a Baptist can agree with Catholic doctrine, but that is another discussion.
Your discussions with me have been primarily doctrinal, like the issue of Catholics and ecumenism. The information about the Catholic Church becoming ecumenical has been in the media, the newspapers, evangelical papers, Catholic journals, etc. It is easy to gather information on it and form an opinion. It is a theological matter, not a matter of personal information.

When a person speaks from personal experience I would like to know how they know what they state, where they get their information from. If they speak like a Catholic, act like a Catholic, etc. good chance she is a Catholic.
The bottom line is:
Be able to document your information, back up what you say.
DHK </font>[/QUOTE]I've never said I agree with Catholic doctrine. Secondly, you can't claim to know how she acts, and she hasn't spoken like a Catholic to me, just someone who chooses to treat the Catholics with love and understanding. You also cannot speak for all Catholics simply because you used to be one. The spiritual lives of individual Catholics are different. Some Christians, Catholic and protestant, choose to be Christian on Sunday, and then live their seperate worldly lives. Others live a more worshipful and prayerful life.

About the ecumenism, I think I'll start a topic concerning that.

 

[Matt Black]

Originally posted by DHK:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Living_stone:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />I grew up as a Catholic till I was age 14 and not once did I ever hear anything in church or catechism school about Jesus dying on the cross for my sins.

That is either a lie, or a very bad parish!

Did you know the church grands indulgences for reading the bible for a half hour at a time? </font>[/QUOTE]No, the church never granted indulgences for reading the Bible. It granted indulgences according to how man Hail Mary's one could say, how many times you could pray through the rosary. Bible reading was totally irrelevant.
A former Catholic.
DHK </font>[/QUOTE]That may have been true in the middle ages, but not now; IIRC, indulgences are granted for persoanl Bible reading.

As to the "Catholics don't own a Bible thing", well, all I can say is that, with respect, your family must be pretty exceptional. You gave your anectdotal evidence based on your personal experience, now let me give mine: my grandmother, a devout Catholic all her life, kept a Bible in her bedroom. Sometimes it was by her bedside, other times I would see it in her bedroom bookcase. Her sister had a Bible by her bedside and also in her front room bookcase. Granted, all of these were Jerusalem Bibles conplete with Apocrypha; in fact, their first remark (plus that of the old gentleman from their Parish Church whom they were entertaining that day) to me when I brought round an NIV Bible to show them was, after flicking through to the end of the OT, "well it's not a proper Bible - it hasn't got Maccabees in it!" The old chap went on to say "Ah, well, it's a Protestant Bible you see, only has 66 books not the 73 we have." So, these guys knew their Bible.

 

[Matt Black]

Originally posted by Claudia_T:
Born again Catholic,

what a dumb thing for you to say to me.

&lt;shrug&gt; You tried to make the point that you didn't hear anything about Jesus' death and its meaning in Mass; s/he responded by pointing out from the Catholic Liturgy of the Mass that that would have been impossible. Why is that dumb?

 

[Claudia_T]

Originally posted by Matt Black:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Claudia_T:
Born again Catholic,

what a dumb thing for you to say to me.

&lt;shrug&gt; You tried to make the point that you didn't hear anything about Jesus' death and its meaning in Mass; s/he responded by pointing out from the Catholic Liturgy of the Mass that that would have been impossible. Why is that dumb? </font>[/QUOTE]I was referring to this statement... which I thought was completely idiotic and unnecessary to say to me:

"Claudia is it possible that your memory is faulty, that whoever influenced you to join the Ellen White cult influenced you on what you remember or have you misspoke in claiming you went to a Catholic Church"

 

[Matt Black]

OK fair enough; but do you accept the truth of what has now been shown to you ref Jesus' death being referred to in the Mass?

 

[Claudia_T]

I am not going to answer this again and again. But there are some really crude people on here, its a shame.

Not worth answering.

 

[Matt Black]

Why not? The references are there; I still have my old Catholic Missal from 30 years ago, and the references are there then too.

 

[DHK]

Originally posted by mcneely:
The notion of Christ's death for us on the Cross not being mentioned in the Catholic Church is absolute Rubbish. People in here are either not being truthful of their so-called "experiences" in the Catholic Church, or they have had run-ins with some poor parishes. But of course, if there are problems in the particular parish, The entire Catholic Church is wrong, correct?....um, no.

This is where you and Catholics get confused. Paul said:

1 Corinthians 1:17-18 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

In 20 years of attending the Catholic Church I never heard the gospel preached--not once.

Now BAC and some others, even yourself are playing a game of semantics. I had the Apostles Creed memorized (both in English and in Latin). The Apostle's Creed does mention the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus (which technically is the gospel). The Bible does not say by reading the gospel or praying the gospel or memorizing the gospel one can be saved. It is by the preaching of the gospel that one can be saved. That infers by the preaching of a gospel message
BTW the gospel (death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ) can be found in the Koran. If all that was needed was to have or read the gospel in the RCC why aren't people getting saved by reading the Koran in Islam? The claim that the RCC preaches the gospel is just as ludicruos as stating that Islam preaches the gospel.
DHK

 

[DHK]

Originally posted by KellyWhite:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DHK:
Kelly, I would appreciate an answer to my post.
Are you a Catholic or a Baptist? What church do you attend? What is the name of it?
DHK

I attend the First Baptist Church in Dallas.

I was raised in the Catholic church. I have converted to the Baptist church for the benefit of my Baptist fiance and my future marriage.

BTW, what difference does it make? Are you afraid of Catholics? They're really quite harmless. Cahtolics have no hard feelings toward the Jews. I don't understand why Baptists have such a big problem with Catholics. They're no threat to Baptists.

I'M HERE TO LEARN!!!!! </font>[/QUOTE]Thanks for clearing some things up. I trust that you have converted to Jesus Christ (which is far more important) than simply the Baptist faith.

I am definitely not afraid of Catholics. In fact for the sake of those near to me I have an outstanding challenge. Bring whomsoever you will (priest, bishop, etc). Let him prove through the Bible the beliefs of the Catholic Church and I will go back to Catholicism, but if I can show to you that my beliefs are based and grounded in the Bible then you need to convert to Jesus Christ and start believing the same as I do (coming to our church instead of the Catholic Church). I have had no takers yet.

My next door neighbor is a Catholic. He is a good neighbor and as you say "quite harmless." I am not here to attack Catholics. It is their pernicious damnable doctrine that sends people to Hell every day that needs to be exposed for what it is. I vehemently oppose the doctrine that they spew out because it condems the soul to a Christless eternity. It is not Catholics that I don't like; it is the RCC doctrine that I hate. There is a big difference. You cannot believe and understand the Catholic doctrine and be saved at the same time. Catholic's teach a gospel of works and not of grace. They teach another gospel, a false gospel. They teach that to be born again means to be baptized which is heresy. And yet Jesus said "Except a man be born again he cannot enter the kingdom of God." If one does not know the meaning of "born again" or teaches the wrong meaning of it, then he is keeping people out of God's Kingdom, isn't he? Here is what Paul said about that:

Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
--Paul says that for preaching another gospel the Catholic church is accursed.
DHK

 

[Born Again Catholic]

I was referring to this statement... which I thought was completely idiotic and unnecessary to say to me:
"Claudia is it possible that your memory is faulty, that whoever influenced you to join the Ellen White cult influenced you on what you remember or have you misspoke in claiming you went to a Catholic Church"

Claudia you said a falsehood about the Catholic Church as i clearly demonstrated. I am at a loss as to why you would say such an obvious flasehood. If you didn't like my theorizing at what motivates you to speak falsely then admit your error and give us an explanation of why you have chosen to speak falsely, and i will accept it.

 

[Jim1999]

I know a Roman Catholic priest who preached Baptist sermons every Sunday for 6 months..........I know, cos I wrote those sermons for him.

Cheers,

Jim

 

[KellyWhite]

Originally posted by Jim1999:
I know a Roman Catholic priest who preached Baptist sermons every Sunday for 6 months..........I know, cos I wrote those sermons for him.

Cheers,

Jim

I'm not sure what the point is. Catholics use the same Bible with the exception of a few extra books.

The Catholic homilies I've heard in my life haven't concerned burning Bibles because Catholics don't believe in the Bible.

 

[Jim1999]

Kelly, it is a long story, but goes back to early 60's when English was introduced into the mass. The local priest used to read the Bishop's homily each week, but his people wanted sermons, and he was not "equipped" to write sermons, so he asked me to help him, and for six months I did....He preached from his Bible. I think I was reinforces the fact that some Roman Catholic priests indeed use the Bible.

Cheers,

Jim