I do not think He was begotten except for when being human. He was NOT procreated or caused to be
He was and is GOD, separable yet one
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Do Christians Disrespect God the Father in our Churches?
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I do not think He was begotten except for when being human. He was NOT procreated or caused to be
He was and is GOD, separable yet one
He proceeded from the Father from all eternity, never was a time when he was not, hence the eternally begotten of the Father!
no, How could He proceed from the Father yet never was a time He did not exist.? If He proceeded from the Father , He did not exist before He proceeded.
contradictory statements
Nope, just that he was always/eternally begotten of/by the Father, likewise the Holy Spirit is eternally proceeding forth from Father and the Son!
Father and Son have always existed. as we accept by faith and by the word of God that Jesus was/is the only eternally begotten of the Father!
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And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
yes, so therefor one cannot proceed from the other .... ?
And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
yes, so therefor one cannot proceed from the other .... ?
Jesus is called the only begotten of the Father, correct?
John calls Jesus the only Begotten at least 5 times, so its in the scriptures!
what about when John tells us 5 times that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God? Eternally Begotten?
1689Dave
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I can see your view and the Eternal Sonship view. One problem with your view is that it merges the eternal Word with only the human body and nature after the incarnation. That is, it makes the Son pertain to the human nature of Christ only. The accepted doctrine says: Christ is God with a fully divine nature and a fully human nature. But you end up defining the human nature of Christ only as being the Son.
God became the son when God became a father to him according to Heb 1: 5
eternal or sonship in Heaven prior to incarnation implies Jesus has a subordinate position to the Father as God, or a created being lessor God. This is taught by JW's Mormons, Islam etc... If Jesus is not Holy God equal to the Father , we are not saved.
He was 100 % God and 100% man, The divine was not a SON, or Lessor deity. He was and IS GOD, Coequal, ONE yer separable.. other positions are insults to Him
eternal or sonship in Heaven prior to incarnation implies Jesus has a subordinate position to the Father as God, or a created being lessor God. This is taught by JW's Mormons, Islam etc... If Jesus is not Holy God equal to the Father , we are not saved.
He was 100 % God and 100% man, The divine was not a SON, or Lessor deity. He was and IS GOD, Coequal, ONE yer separable.. other positions are insults to Him
1689Dave
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The catch is in the word Eternal. There is no time when the Father did not beget the Son. And God is perfect. So any change from the Word into the Son in time would be to imperfection. But the Son and the Word are the same eternal person of the Godhead.
1689Dave
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Your problem is that Eternity has no time. Time is created. So the Son must be eternally the Son. Since Jesus is eternally God, he must be eternally the Son.
To say he became the Son in the incarnation, is to say his body and soul are the Son and not His Spirit. Because Jesus is God with a fully human nature (body and soul) but his Spirit is God.
Yes, as Jesus was the eternally begotten Son of God, who then became human flesh and dwelt among us.
To Say He was begotten is to say He was creared.
Now we see the problem, you think a soul is Human but it is spiritual, not physical..Jesus was God in the flesh, His "spirit" is God
If He was begotten then He was created by GOD...
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