Do "Old earth" Age Christians Also believe InThe Evolutionary process?

[righteousdude2]

It Doesn't Matter to Me!

The age of the earth is what it is! I have no doubt that God created the earth and all we have, including us, so however old this hunk of rock is will be better understood when we get to our destination. :wavey:

 

[JesusFan]

He is stating that for him, it is essential.

Essentials of the Christian faith to me would be those that allows one to be saved, such as IF one denied the Trintiy, Cross of Chrsit, resurrection of Jesus bodily etc...

Did not know how one views origins of life and Creation fell under those!
DO think the biblical AND scientific evidence BOTH favor Creation/Younger dates/no evolutionary process being used by God, BUT would not deny that one would not get saved by God IF holding oppossing views on this!

Think the main gripe those of us here holding to my views on this subject have is that there does NOT seem to be a willingness by the opposite camp to evaulatethe scientific evidence used by Creationists on same basis as that being given as their "proof" by the evoutionists!

 

[Aaron]

He is stating that for him, it is essential.

How one reads the Creation accounts is essential. Instead of avoiding the topic, why don't you tell us how quantumfaith reads the account?

Six days or not?

Adam real or not? Eve real or not? The Serpent real or not. The act of sin, an historical act of one man or not? Etc.

 

[JesusFan]

How one reads the Creation accounts is essential. Instead of avoiding the topic, why don't you tell us how quantumfaith reads the account?

Six days or not?

Adam real or not? Eve real or not? The Serpent real or not. The act of sin, an historical act of one man or not? Etc.

I do read everything in the "plain and literally" meaning of the text, but how about those like CS Lewis , who held to be allogorical myth in genesis!

 

[quantumfaith]

How one reads the Creation accounts is essential. Instead of avoiding the topic, why don't you tell us how quantumfaith reads the account?

Six days or not?

Adam real or not? Eve real or not? The Serpent real or not. The act of sin, an historical act of one man or not? Etc.

Six days which are simultaneously equivalent to 13.8 billion years (with respect to our current measurement of time relative to our velocity and gravity field).

Does your mother like you?

 

[Aaron]

Adam real? i.e. an individual with no mother or father, created supernaturally from the dust?

Eve real? i.e. an individual with no mother or father made from Adam's rib?

The eating of the forbidden fruit, an historical, specific act of one man bringing death into the world?

 

[quantumfaith]

Adam real? i.e. an individual with no mother or father, created supernaturally from the dust?

Eve real? i.e. an individual with no mother or father made from Adam's rib?

The eating of the forbidden fruit, an historical, specific act of one man bringing death into the world?

Adam real....yes
Eve real .....yes
Fall of man real.....yes

 

[Aaron]

I do read everything in the "plain and literally" meaning of the text, but how about those like CS Lewis , who held to be allogorical myth in genesis!

He also believed spiritual life is imparted through baptism and communion. C.S. Lewis was a brilliant man, and I find his writings invaluable in exposing the villainy behind humanistic philosophies, the psychology of temptation, and in demonstrating the simple logic and rationality in believing in the supernatural, but that's all. He knew himself, and as far as his insight into his own experiences and what it means to be human is accurate, he knew God, but His handling of the Scriptures themselves for the most part I find clumsy and peurile.

 

[Aaron]

Adam real....yes
Eve real .....yes
Fall of man real.....yes

Do you mean real in the sense I described? Or in the sense of allegory only?

 

[quantumfaith]

Do you mean real in the sense I described? Or in the sense of allegory only?

Adam REAL MAN
Eve REAL WOMAN
Fall of man. REAL EVENT

 

[Aaron]

The first man, created directly from the dust on the six day? Or just the first human springing from a slightly subhuman descendent of an apelike ancestor?

 

[quantumfaith]

The first man, created directly from the dust on the six day? Or just the first human springing from a slightly subhuman descendent of an apelike ancestor?

I will say as I have said, I do not discount the possibility of evolution being the mechanism of God creating. Do with that whatever you will. Sixth day....yes

 

[Aaron]

You see? You call a day 1/7 of a 14-billion year time span. When you say Adam was a real man and eve a real woman and the fall a real event, you can mean anything.

So you really don't believe the Genesis account.

 

[Robert Snow]

I will say as I have said, I do not discount the possibility of evolution being the mechanism of God creating. Do with that whatever you will. Sixth day....yes

That is the reason I don't get into these discussions with Aaron. He isn't intent on hearing what you say until you say something he can argue with.

People who believe they are superior employ these types of tactics in an attempt to look superior to others.

He's just playing games.

 

[Aaron]

Neither can you believe Paul when he said death came through one man, Adam. Neither can you believe Paul when he said man was made first, and woman was taken from man.

 

[Aaron]

That is the reason I don't get into these discussions with Aaron. He isn't intent on hearing what you say until you say something he can argue with.

People who believe they are superior employ these types of tactics in an attempt to look superior to others.

He's just playing games.

It's no game, bub. It's life and death.

 

[JesusFan]

The first man, created directly from the dust on the six day? Or just the first human springing from a slightly subhuman descendent of an apelike ancestor?

Just a question on human origins!

have you ever heard that some Theistic evolutionary Christians hold that God used the process/mechanics of evolution to bring "man" unto the world, but than God took the "ape man" and breated a soulish nature into him, hence forth Homo sapiens?

To me, mankid is made in the IMAGE OF GOD via an act of special creation by hilself, so NO evolution process needed to be used and apllied![/quote/

 

[Aaron]

Just a question on human origins!

have you ever heard that some Theistic evolutionary Christians hold that God used the process/mechanics of evolution to bring "man" unto the world, but than God took the "ape man" and breated a soulish nature into him, hence forth Homo sapiens?

To me, mankid is made in the IMAGE OF GOD via an act of special creation by hilself, so NO evolution process needed to be used and apllied![/quote/

God could have created the universe in 6 seconds. But He didn't. And the manner in which He went about it is meant for our instruction, to learn of him.

Now here comes another story. They're saying here's how God "really" did it. In other words, they want us to regard them as the arbiters of truth, not Moses or Jesus.

 

[quantumfaith]

Neither can you believe Paul when he said death came through one man, Adam. Neither can you believe Paul when he said man was made first, and woman was taken from man.

I most certainly am convinced that death existed prior to the fall, that is, for most a given, in an old earth position.

I am happy to report that my view(s) are not in any way dependent on you or your pejorative self aggrandizing stabs at those you hold in theological contempt, those you judge unworthy of YOUR theological intellect.

 

[quantumfaith]

God could have created the universe in 6 seconds. But He didn't. And the manner in which He went about it is meant for our instruction, to learn of him.

Now here comes another story. They're saying here's how God "really" did it. In other words, they want us to regard them as the arbiters of truth, not Moses or Jesus.

Now there is one thing we can agree on. He could have done creation anyway He saw fit.