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Do those holding To KJVO Commit Christian Idolatry?
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thomas15
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The few KJVO that I personally know also think that if your not one of them and observe a strict secondary separation, a certain dress code and other behavioral traits then you are basically an apostate or just simply lost. For some I speculate that it probably goes further than just their perferred translation. This is based on my limited personal experience though.
Years ago I had a friend that was hard core KJVO and went to my same church only because it was the only option for him at the time. After a while we went our separate ways but I had contact with him a few years ago. He went to a Baptist seminary, received a pastorate and has given up his KJVO stance and actually has more to say against the KJVO position than I ever will.
Years ago I had a friend that was hard core KJVO and went to my same church only because it was the only option for him at the time. After a while we went our separate ways but I had contact with him a few years ago. He went to a Baptist seminary, received a pastorate and has given up his KJVO stance and actually has more to say against the KJVO position than I ever will.
franklinmonroe
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Interestingly, I was just recently handed a copy of our church's new 'Potential Deacon Questionaire' (which includes many strictly "Yes" or "No" questions), one of which is --
Do you hold a position commonly known as King James Version Onlyism?
I think most hold to KJVO out of (pardon me for my bluntness) ignorance.
NOTE: I did NOT say that if you believe the KJV is the version God wants you to use you are ignorant. Nor did I say that I hate the KJV.
What I AM saying is that if the majority of the claims made against the MV's, their textual basis, Westcott and Hort, and the "changes" or "choices" made by the KJV translators vis a vis the "changes" or "choices" made by MV translators are investigated HONESTLY, a KJVO will likely become a KJVP.
NOTE: I did NOT say that if you believe the KJV is the version God wants you to use you are ignorant. Nor did I say that I hate the KJV.
What I AM saying is that if the majority of the claims made against the MV's, their textual basis, Westcott and Hort, and the "changes" or "choices" made by the KJV translators vis a vis the "changes" or "choices" made by MV translators are investigated HONESTLY, a KJVO will likely become a KJVP.
thomas15
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I think it gives them a group rally point and a place to assign blame for the ills of the church. For the individual at some point it begins to feed on itself, the person becomes so committed to the cause that even the very thought of exiting from the position becomes socially uncomfortable. This is the tragedy of the thing, how can you claim that the faith makes sense but make a major doctrinal issue out of something that is illogical?
think those holding that John meant the KJV when he used Word in his gospel fall under label "ignorant!"
At the least, and willingly deceitful at the worst.
A lie is a lie no matter how well-intentioned it is, or how good it sounds.
Gregory Perry Sr.
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Scripture Please....
Since this seems to be the KJVO bashing thread....anybody got ANY verse of scripture (and I'll even be generous and say...out of ANY version) that supports such a charge like that one made in the OP? To charge a Bible Believing Christian with such a thing as "idolatry" for loving the Word of God......that's really getting pretty low. I think the mods need to step in and put a stop to this before it really gets nasty. For the record...I don't "worship" my KJV, but is is the ONLY english language Bible that I trust and I do love it and thank God for it. If as mont974x4 says, that makes me "unchristian" then I will gladly plead guilty...on ANY day of the week (and twice on Sunday)(as the old saying goes).
:BangHead: Bro.Greg :tear:
Since this seems to be the KJVO bashing thread....anybody got ANY verse of scripture (and I'll even be generous and say...out of ANY version) that supports such a charge like that one made in the OP? To charge a Bible Believing Christian with such a thing as "idolatry" for loving the Word of God......that's really getting pretty low. I think the mods need to step in and put a stop to this before it really gets nasty. For the record...I don't "worship" my KJV, but is is the ONLY english language Bible that I trust and I do love it and thank God for it. If as mont974x4 says, that makes me "unchristian" then I will gladly plead guilty...on ANY day of the week (and twice on Sunday)(as the old saying goes).
:BangHead: Bro.Greg :tear:
KJVOism has to assume God did a second work of inspiration in inspiring the KJV.
We're not talking about having a preferred translation. Most of us likely have one. We are dealing with people that have taken the preference to an idolatrous level.
That said, I am sure by now we have all heard all the usual arguments for KJVOism and against it.
We're not talking about having a preferred translation. Most of us likely have one. We are dealing with people that have taken the preference to an idolatrous level.
That said, I am sure by now we have all heard all the usual arguments for KJVOism and against it.
You are a good man, Bro. Greg and I appreciate the tenor of your posts.
However, Truth should be important to us as believers, and if the KJVO doctrine is built upon half-truths and lies then we should stand against it, should we not? Doing so does not preclude anyone trusting their KJV. I know many fine people who use the KJV and do not believe the KJVO doctrine.
And if we knowingly believe an untruth, then - yes, we are idolaters, by one of the definitions of idolatry: "Blind devotion to something."
which is akin to Muslims and their Koran, equating God as being the Bible, worshipping the particular version as if God was in the pages Himself!
I am not sure about that. I may be wrong, but I think even the Muslims have a "version controversy".
franklinmonroe
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Islam does not (officially) have a version controversy. All competing texts were destroyed almost immediately following Muhammad's death to avoid this very issue. Some editions are allowed to exhibit pronunciation variations to accommodate the various Arabic dialects. Of course, unofficially there are textual skeptics of the completeness and purity of the standardized Qur'an (ever heard of the "satanic verses"?). Additionally, the Koran is only authoritative in it's original language; there can be no controversy caused by translation.
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Thanks for the clarification.
Think many KJVO only would want to have all other texts but the TR destroyed, in order to avoid any controversy", as then it would indeed by just the KJV as ONLY word of God!
franklinmonroe
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You are somewhat confusing two distinctly different positions, that of KJV-O with that of TR-O; however they are often closely linked. While it is true that most KJV-O are also TR-O, it does not necessarily follow that a TR-O will always be KJV-O.
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As Dr. Bob has pointed out, there are "degees" of KJVOism, from KJV-preferred to outright foolish extremism, such as that of "pastor" Steve Anderson, who has stated he actually worships the KJV! (However, some of Anderson's other activities places his mental state into question.) Anderson represents one extreme end of the spectrum, and fortunately, his kind are very few in number.
Fact is, the KJV is the most-printed book in history, and is still the best-known Bible version. It has been greatly used by GOD, and still sells quite a few copies each year. However, it's plain that GOD IS NOT LIMITED to the KJV in English, and He spreads the Gospel thru several other English versions as well.
I believe, as is stated above, that many KJVOs are KJVO thru ignorance (not stupidity) from their failure to learn the FACTS. And there are two facts about the KJVO myth that stand out:
1.) KJVO's man-made origin is quite plain, with the current edition being derived from 7TH DAY ADVENTIST official Dr. Ben Wilkinson's 1930 book, Our Authorized Bible Vindicated.
2.) There's ABSOLUTELY NO SCRIPTURAL SUPPORT for KJVO, or any other one-translation-only doctrines.
More than one KJVO, upon learning the FACTS about KJVO that prove it false, has abandoned that incorrect position, and, while many of them continue to use the KJV, they no longer advocate the incorrect position that the KJV is the ONLY valid English Bible translation.
Fact is, the KJV is the most-printed book in history, and is still the best-known Bible version. It has been greatly used by GOD, and still sells quite a few copies each year. However, it's plain that GOD IS NOT LIMITED to the KJV in English, and He spreads the Gospel thru several other English versions as well.
I believe, as is stated above, that many KJVOs are KJVO thru ignorance (not stupidity) from their failure to learn the FACTS. And there are two facts about the KJVO myth that stand out:
1.) KJVO's man-made origin is quite plain, with the current edition being derived from 7TH DAY ADVENTIST official Dr. Ben Wilkinson's 1930 book, Our Authorized Bible Vindicated.
2.) There's ABSOLUTELY NO SCRIPTURAL SUPPORT for KJVO, or any other one-translation-only doctrines.
More than one KJVO, upon learning the FACTS about KJVO that prove it false, has abandoned that incorrect position, and, while many of them continue to use the KJV, they no longer advocate the incorrect position that the KJV is the ONLY valid English Bible translation.
I read about an extreme KJVO story-(I think it was here on BB). There was a KJV word with 6 letters - and a pastor said if your KJV had that same word with 7 letters (or vice-versa) you should take that fake Bible back and get a true KJV!
Would appreciate if someone could validate that story for me.
thanks,
Salty
PS - I am KJV-T (by Tradition)!
Saviour ("good") vs Savior ("bad").
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