Do we have to confess our sins ?

[dan p]

Hi to all , and years ago I heard about this , do we have to confess our sins when we sin ?

In Col 2:13 , " And you , being dead in your sins and the Uncircumcision of your flesh , HATH He quickened together with Him , having FORGIVEN YOU A L L TRESPASSES ."

In Titus 2:14 , " Who gave Himselfr for us , that He might redeem us FROM

A L L INIQUITY ".

In Eph 4:30 , we are told , " NOT TO GRIEVE the Holy Spirit of God ."

So , do we have to confess when we sin ?? What say you ??

That means forgiveness , past , present and future , right ??

 

[rbell]

Hi to all , and years ago I heard about this , do we have to confess our sins when we sin ?

In Col 2:13 , " And you , being dead in your sins and the Uncircumcision of your flesh , HATH He quickened together with Him , having FORGIVEN YOU A L L TRESPASSES ."

In Titus 2:14 , " Who gave Himselfr for us , that He might redeem us FROM

A L L INIQUITY ".

In Eph 4:30 , we are told , " NOT TO GRIEVE the Holy Spirit of God ."

So , do we have to confess when we sin ?? What say you ??

That means forgiveness , past , present and future , right ??

I think 1 John 1:9 answers the question clearly and emphatically. Not to mention the prayer of the publican, as told by Jesus.

 

[Dr. Walter]

Hi to all , and years ago I heard about this , do we have to confess our sins when we sin ?

In Col 2:13 , " And you , being dead in your sins and the Uncircumcision of your flesh , HATH He quickened together with Him , having FORGIVEN YOU A L L TRESPASSES ."

In Titus 2:14 , " Who gave Himselfr for us , that He might redeem us FROM

A L L INIQUITY ".

In Eph 4:30 , we are told , " NOT TO GRIEVE the Holy Spirit of God ."

So , do we have to confess when we sin ?? What say you ??

That means forgiveness , past , present and future , right ??

Yes, our sins are forgiven and if any are forgiven all are forgiven as they were all yet future when Christ died for our sins and therefore if he died for any He died for all as they were all yet future.

We don't need to ask God to forgive us our sins because God has already done that but we do need to confess our sin (I Jn. 2:1-2) and thank God for the forgiveness we have in Christ already.

We need to confess our sins not to enter heaven or to be justified but rather to EXPERIENCE the blessings of salvation here and now. Our position "in Christ" is secure our "hope" to enter heaven is a confident expectation but the redemption of our daily life ("redeeming THE TIME" - Eph. 5:17) depends on how we deal with sin in our experience. Sin can rob us of present blessings and eternal rewards althoug it cannot rob us of heaven.

 

[Zenas]

Yes, our sins are forgiven and if any are forgiven all are forgiven as they were all yet future when Christ died for our sins and therefore if he died for any He died for all as they were all yet future.

We don't need to ask God to forgive us our sins because God has already done that but we do need to confess our sin (I Jn. 2:1-2) and thank God for the forgiveness we have in Christ already.

We need to confess our sins not to enter heaven or to be justified but rather to EXPERIENCE the blessings of salvation here and now. Our position "in Christ" is secure our "hope" to enter heaven is a confident expectation but the redemption of our daily life ("redeeming THE TIME" - Eph. 5:17) depends on how we deal with sin in our experience. Sin can rob us of present blessings and eternal rewards althoug it cannot rob us of heaven.

Have you actually read 1 John 1:9? Here is what it says in the KJV:

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

It says nothing about restoring fellowship, reconciliation or eternal rewards, it says forgive sins. So if a Christian's sins are all forgiven past, present and future, why do we have to seek forgiveness again? It's one of the glaring inconsistencies of the OSAS heresy.

 

[DHK]

Have you actually read 1 John 1:9? Here is what it says in the KJV: It says nothing about restoring fellowship, reconciliation or eternal rewards, it says forgive sins. So if a Christian's sins are all forgiven past, present and future, why do we have to seek forgiveness again? It's one of the glaring inconsistencies of the OSAS heresy.

Look carefully at the chapter. It only has ten verses in it. In every single verse John uses the pronoun "we." He includes himself. This was an epistle written to believers. John had no doubt about his salvation. This chapter is not speaking of salvation but about fellowship. Our sins are forgiven: past, present and future--as far as our salvation is concerned. "There is therefore now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus." There is no condemnation. No damnation, no chance of going to Hell. But if we sin what happens? God doesn't disown his children. We don't become "unborn", that which is impossible to do. No, our fellowship with God is broken temporarily until we confess it, and it is forgiven. The example is very much like a father and his child. If he disobeys fellowship is broken. The child has a guilty conscience and fellowship will not be fully restored until the sin is confessed and forgiven. The father is not going to disown the child because of a sin. The child will be eternally his.

 

[Jedi Knight]

Have you actually read 1 John 1:9? Here is what it It's one of the glaring inconsistencies of the OSAS heresy.

OSAS Heresy? I thought you could carry an intelligent conversation without the childish behavior.

 

[annsni]

We confess our sins because we're commanded to. God has forgiven us our sins but in confession, we bring our hearts in line with Him. When we do not confess, we deny that there is sin in our lives and will not become more like Christ.

 

[Zenas]

Look carefully at the chapter. It only has ten verses in it. In every single verse John uses the pronoun "we." He includes himself. This was an epistle written to believers. John had no doubt about his salvation. This chapter is not speaking of salvation but about fellowship. Our sins are forgiven: past, present and future--as far as our salvation is concerned. "There is therefore now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus." There is no condemnation. No damnation, no chance of going to Hell. But if we sin what happens? God doesn't disown his children. We don't become "unborn", that which is impossible to do. No, our fellowship with God is broken temporarily until we confess it, and it is forgiven. The example is very much like a father and his child. If he disobeys fellowship is broken. The child has a guilty conscience and fellowship will not be fully restored until the sin is confessed and forgiven. The father is not going to disown the child because of a sin. The child will be eternally his.

Yes, it written to believers and that is why this verse is so significant. Believers are already forgiven, at least according to OSAS theology. So why ask to be forgiven again? Is such even possible? How do you get absolution from a sin that has already been forgiven? However, if you realize that the only sins forgiven when you are saved are those in your past, it makes ultimate good sense to seek forgiveness of sins as they are committed. Any other interpretation of John 1:9 spins it so far from its real meaning it becomes unrecognizable.

 

[annsni]

Yes, it written to believers and that is why this verse is so significant. Believers are already forgiven, at least according to OSAS theology. So why ask to be forgiven again? Is such even possible? How do you get absolution from a sin that has already been forgiven? However, if you realize that the only sins forgiven when you are saved are those in your past, it makes ultimate good sense to seek forgiveness of sins as they are committed. Any other interpretation of John 1:9 spins it so far from its real meaning it becomes unrecognizable.

So then, if you commit a sin that has not been forgiven and have not had time to or rememberance of the sin to ask forgiveness, the sin is not forgiven ever and you go to hell. Is that correct?

As for your comments on OSAS, I feel sorry for you. To live a life wondering if you did something that could erase your name from the Book of Life - to un-graven your name from God's hand - to ignore the guarantee of our salvation (the Holy Spirit), would be a life not worth living.

 

[Zenas]

OSAS Heresy? I thought you could carry an intelligent conversation without the childish behavior.

I brought up this very subject on another recent thread, pleading with the posters to treat one another with respect. I was told, in essence, it's a debate thread and if something is a heresy there is no delicate way of expressing it. OSAS is heresy.

 

[Dr. Walter]

Have you actually read 1 John 1:9? Here is what it says in the KJV: It says nothing about restoring fellowship, reconciliation or eternal rewards, it says forgive sins. So if a Christian's sins are all forgiven past, present and future, why do we have to seek forgiveness again? It's one of the glaring inconsistencies of the OSAS heresy.

If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 ¶ If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

He is faithful to forgives us our sins because they have been paid in full by Christ. However, it is our "fellowship" that is at stake if we don't confess our sins and a defiled conscience.

This is not abut RELATIONSHIP but FELLOWSHIP. I have five children and they are my children by RELATIONSHIPand always will be. However, they are not always in FELLOWSHIP with me. When they are not in FELLOWSHIP with me they do not cease to be my children by RELATIONSHIP but they cease to ENJOY the blessings of fellowship.

 

[Jedi Knight]

I brought up this very subject on another recent thread, pleading with the posters to treat one another with respect. I was told, in essence, it's a debate thread and if something is a heresy there is no delicate way of expressing it. OSAS is heresy.

Then your still childish and need to mature. Calling OSAS heresy is insecure fustrating belief being vented.

 

[Zenas]

So then, if you commit a sin that has not been forgiven and have not had time to or rememberance of the sin to ask forgiveness, the sin is not forgiven ever and you go to hell. Is that correct?

That is for God to judge, not me, but that is certainly what the Bible teaches. Unless, of course, you choose to ignore large portions of it.

As for your comments on OSAS, I feel sorry for you. To live a life wondering if you did something that could erase your name from the Book of Life - to un-graven your name from God's hand - to ignore the guarantee of our salvation (the Holy Spirit), would be a life not worth living.

Actually I have a very good life, blessed in every way beyond my wildest dreams. I am, however, more conscious of avoiding sin than most Baptists simply because I believe it has eternal consequences. I take quite literally the words of Peter when he said, "Be of sober spirit, be on the alert. Your adversary, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour." To devour, Ann. To be devoured by the devil is to be lost from God.

 

[Jedi Knight]

I am, however, more conscious of avoiding sin than most Baptists simply because I believe it has eternal consequences. someone to devour." To devour, Ann. To be devoured by the devil is to be lost from God.

Seems you magnify the devil and thats where your weak understanding shows. If the devil can pluck sheep from the masters hand then you think God is not that powerful.

I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. And your not wise to compare yourself to others. 2 Corinthians 10:12 When they measure themselves by themselves and compare themselves with themselves, they are not wise.

 

[Zenas]

If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 ¶ If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

He is faithful to forgives us our sins because they have been paid in full by Christ. However, it is our "fellowship" that is at stake if we don't confess our sins and a defiled conscience.

This is not abut RELATIONSHIP but FELLOWSHIP. I have five children and they are my children by RELATIONSHIPand always will be. However, they are not always in FELLOWSHIP with me. When they are not in FELLOWSHIP with me they do not cease to be my children by RELATIONSHIP but they cease to ENJOY the blessings of fellowship.

Every human being who has ever lived is a child of God. Therefore, we know God sends some of His children to Hell. Only believers are in fellowship with Him, and by your own testimony you can move in and out of fellowship with God.

Surely you have seen wills where a parent says something like, "I give my entire estate to my children, namely Abe, Bob, Charles and Don. I deliberately leave nothing to my fifth child Eddie because he has been disrespectful [or for whatever reason]." Note that Eddie is just as much a child as the other four but he has been deprived of the legacy. It's the same thing when one of God's saved children falls from grace.

 

[Zenas]

Then your still childish and need to mature. Calling OSAS heresy is insecure fustrating belief being vented.

Insecure? Yes, we are all insecure and that is the heresy. There is no such thing as eternal security.

 

[annsni]

That is for God to judge, not me, but that is certainly what the Bible teaches. Unless, of course, you choose to ignore large portions of it. Actually I have a very good life, blessed in every way beyond my wildest dreams. I am, however, more conscious of avoiding sin than most Baptists simply because I believe it has eternal consequences. I take quite literally the words of Peter when he said, "Be of sober spirit, be on the alert. Your adversary, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour." To devour, Ann. To be devoured by the devil is to be lost from God.

I didn't know that Satan can steal God's sheep and God has no power over that. Interesting.

 

[annsni]

Every human being who has ever lived is a child of God. Therefore, we know God sends some of His children to Hell.

Can you show me a verse that says that every human being who ever lived is a child of God?

 

[Zenas]

Seems you magnify the devil and thats where your weak understanding shows. If the devil can pluck sheep from the masters hand then you think God is not that powerful.

I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. And your not wise to compare yourself to others. 2 Corinthians 10:12 When they measure themselves by themselves and compare themselves with themselves, they are not wise.

I didn't make that up, it was written by Peter as part of the inspired Word of God. I'm sorry you don't agree with it.

 

[Dr. Walter]

Every human being who has ever lived is a child of God. Therefore, we know God sends some of His children to Hell. Only believers are in fellowship with Him, and by your own testimony you can move in and out of fellowship with God.

Surely you have seen wills where a parent says something like, "I give my entire estate to my children, namely Abe, Bob, Charles and Don. I deliberately leave nothing to my fifth child Eddie because he has been disrespectful [or for whatever reason]." Note that Eddie is just as much a child as the other four but he has been deprived of the legacy. It's the same thing when one of God's saved children falls from grace.

There were some who professed to believe in Christ, but Christ perceived that they had nothing more than intellectual faith in him but no moral change of character. They claimed to be children of God (Jn. 6:41) but Jesus denied they were children of God but rather were children of Satan:

Jn. 6:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.....44Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

All may be children of God in the sense they are products His creation (Acts 17:26-29) but they are not children of God in the sense of having been born of the Spirit of God as this is something that Jesus told an old man that he was still in need of (Jn. 3:3-6). Indeed, we come into this world as "children of wrath" and "children of disobedience" but not as Spirit born "children of God" (Eph. 2:1-3).

Those who are "children of the flesh" will be disinherited but not those born of the Spirit - Jn. 5:24 - because their own works are not regarded by God as the grounds for justification before God (Rom. 4:1-25).

It is true that all "born again" children of God have the indwelling Spirit and are being progressively sanctified but progressive sanctification is never perfected in this life and does not count for qualifying for entrance into heaven.

The essential error of your position is that you think all humans come into this world as "children of God" in a spiritual sense.