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Do We Receive Faith?
- Thread starter Baptizo
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Peter wrote both of his epistles to the Gentile Churches throughout Asia Minor.
"To them who have obtained like precious faith with us," is referring to the Gentiles who could now be saved as the Jews.
This is the mystery before the foundation of the world that was kept secret from man, that Paul talked about.
The Gentiles being grafted in the New Covenant with the Jews.
There is a detailed account in Acts (to lazy to post) of Peter and the Jews being astonished when the Holy Spirit fell on the Gentiles and they were saved.
The Jews believed only a Jew could be saved. They didn't know any better, it was kept from them that the Gentiles would be saved.
To lazy to post Paul's account of this mystery hidden from the Jews.
It would be better for you to look it up anyway, you'll remember it that way.
Dave G
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Mine reads:
" Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ: " ( 2 Peter 1:1, AV ).
How I read it is as I see it stated...
Peter is addressing those who have obtained the "common" ( see Titus 1:4 ) faith, which is inherently present in all genuine believers.
That faith was through the righteousness of God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Similar to the translation that you posted, "received" and "obtained" mean the same thing.
In addition, I know from other passages that my faith is a gift from God ( Ephesians 2:8 ), that my faith was authored and finished by Jesus Christ ( Hebrews 12:2 ), that it is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen ( Hebrews 11:1 ), that my faith is "of" ( by or from ) Jesus Christ ( Galatians 2:20 ) and like Paul, I live this life by the faith of ( by or from ) the Son of God...who loved me and gave Himself for me ( Galatians 3:16 ).
To state it differently, I didn't "exercise" faith to be saved;
I inherited my faith as a product of God saving me.
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Ben1445
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Yep. It’s in Acts 13 and the part where the gentiles believe is verse 48.
Now lookup the mystery that Paul revealed that the Gentiles would be saved the same as the Jews.
Eph. 3:1-6
For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
Ben1445
Well-Known Member
Romans 12:3
For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
In both cases, the faith that is spoken of appears to be given with salvation. That is because of salvation. The faith spoken of in Romans comes with the explanation of spiritual gifts and their exercise and use.
The faith spoken of here is also obtained through the righteousness of God. It could be accurately read that the precious faith they share is that faith in Christ. This would then be a different usage of the giving of faith.
Are there any other times in God’s Word where faith is said to be given?
If it is given, Jesus either hadn’t given it to the disciples or they had misplaced it. Luke 8:25
By default God made man what he is and there is no attribute or ability that man has that is not from God. (Disclaimer: sin is a corruption and distortion of the attributes God gave to man. I do not attribute corruption to God)
For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
In both cases, the faith that is spoken of appears to be given with salvation. That is because of salvation. The faith spoken of in Romans comes with the explanation of spiritual gifts and their exercise and use.
The faith spoken of here is also obtained through the righteousness of God. It could be accurately read that the precious faith they share is that faith in Christ. This would then be a different usage of the giving of faith.
Are there any other times in God’s Word where faith is said to be given?
If it is given, Jesus either hadn’t given it to the disciples or they had misplaced it. Luke 8:25
By default God made man what he is and there is no attribute or ability that man has that is not from God. (Disclaimer: sin is a corruption and distortion of the attributes God gave to man. I do not attribute corruption to God)
Kai
Active Member
Calvinists point to the phrase “received a faith” as support for the idea that faith is received from God, consistent with unconditional election and God's effectual calling. They understand saving faith as something God grants to those He has elected.
Arminians agree that faith comes through God's grace, but they argue that the word “received” doesn't establish unconditional election or irresistible grace. They believe God's prevenient grace enables people to respond to the gospel, without determining their response.
Both sides agree that salvation rests on God's grace and Christ's righteousness. The disagreement is whether receiving faith means God unconditionally determines who will believe, or whether His grace enables a genuine human response.
Arminians agree that faith comes through God's grace, but they argue that the word “received” doesn't establish unconditional election or irresistible grace. They believe God's prevenient grace enables people to respond to the gospel, without determining their response.
Both sides agree that salvation rests on God's grace and Christ's righteousness. The disagreement is whether receiving faith means God unconditionally determines who will believe, or whether His grace enables a genuine human response.
Speaking from the reformed side of things, though I do disagree with many of the "system reformers" these days.
I believe that the word "faith" in 2 Peter 1:1 is speaking of the life that the Spirit gives when we are indwelt after first believing. Very much like "faith" in Hebrews 12:2 is used as a metaphor for 'life' in that same way.
Hebrews 12:2 looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
The same word, "Author" from Hebrews 12:2 speaking of "faith" is used in Acts 3:15 "Prince" speaking of "life"
Acts 3:15 and killed the Prince [Author] of life, whom God raised from the dead, of which we are witnesses.
The idea of the word "faith" being a metaphor for 'life' in 2 Peter 1:1 is confirmed by the core message in the immediate context that 2 Peter 1:3-4 continues.
2 Peter 1:3-4 as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
Also consider the Gospel of John 20:31 but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name.
And in John's Epistle, 1 John 5:12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.
"Faith" is also used as a metaphor for the New Testament (or New Covenant), which could also be seen as, and defined as, spiritual life.
Also consider Galatians 3:21-29, which appears to use "life" and "faith" interchangeably. It really paints a vivid picture that is very clear.
Galatians 3:21-29 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as were baptized [placed into] into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
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