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Do you agree with Bill Clinton?

Bible Thumpin n Gun Totin

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Interesting -
Do you have any documented instances where this actually happened.

No documented instances of those circumstances, but it's easy to imagine it happening. And if they were doing it out of Christian charity then I wouldn't expect for them to toot their own horns and mark it down.

During the Depression FDR hired some of those without jobs to record the stories of slaves that were still alive, which are recorded here. There's tons of stories.
About this Collection | Born in Slavery: Slave Narratives from the Federal Writers' Project, 1936-1938 | Digital Collections | Library of Congress

It's not going to come out and say "This owner was a Christian and this owner was not", but you can see the general pattern. Some slaveowners were vile, mean and downright evil people who abused slaves. Others treated their slaves with Christian charity and protected them from other worse plantations.

Here's an excerpt, word for word, directly from a former slave in Texas:
CHARLOTTE BEVERLY was born a slave to Captain Pankey's wife, in Montgomery County, Texas. She has lived most of her life within a radius of 60 miles from Houston, and now lives with one of her children in a little house on the highway between Cleveland and Shepherd, Texas. 'arm does not know her age, but appears to be about ninety.
"There was 'bout forty niggers, big and little, on the plantation. Lawd, they was good to us. Us didn' know nothine 'bout bad times and cutting and whipping and slashing. I had to work in the house and I 'member one thing I has to do was scrub Mistusl goll snuffbox twict a week. She kept sweet, Scotch snuff and sometimes I takes a pinch out. "We used to go to the white folks church and if us couldn' git in we'd stand round by the door and sing. Mistus wouldn' 'low us dance on the place but they give us pass to go to danceon nex' plantation, where my daddy live. "Every year they have bit Christmas dinner and ham and turkey and allus feed us good. US have Christmas party and sing songs. That was sweet music."

To answer the original question though:
"Would I like to be treated that way?"
If I were an 1840s slave on a plantation, then I sure would want to be treated like Charlotte Beverly! And I certainly wouldn't want to slander Charlotte Beverly's former "Missus" by calling her evil simply because she owned slaves in a slave owning country.
 
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canadyjd

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It's not outrageous. It's Biblical. Picture this:

It's 1820 and you walk by a slave auction in the piedmont of NC…
…Purchase the family as a whole to keep them together

It'd be unChristlike to NOT purchase the family and save them.

If I was a black slave in 1820, I would love for a Christian slaveowner to purchase me.
First, if I’m in 1820 NC I don’t attend slave auctions as it is inhumane and unChristlike.

Second, your hypothetical Christian that is purchasing slaves to “save” them will use them as forced labor. If they purchased them and freed them, then you might have a point.

Third, the question isn’t whether slaves would rather have Christians or non Christians as owners. From what I understand of southern slavery, many brutal slave owners claimed to be Christians and justified slavery, as you have, as “biblical”.

The question I asked is whether Robert E Lee or Stonewall Jackson ever volunteered to be treated the same way as their slaves were treated? I think it’s clear they did not and therefore they violated the command of our Lord to treat others how you want to be treated.

Your comment remains outrageous, as is your attempts to justify slavery.

peace to you
 

Salty

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Second,.... If they purchased them and freed them, then you might have a point.
If I'm not mistaken - in GA , it was illegal to free your slaves - and even if you did - someone else might enslave them. Unless the owner escorted them up North - well at least to a Northern State/commonwealth - that did not have slavery.

... slave owners claimed to be Christians and justified slavery, as you have, as “biblical”.
Well, Paul did tell a slave to go back to his master.....

The question I asked is whether Robert E Lee or Stonewall Jackson ever volunteered to be treated the same way as their slaves were treated? I think it’s clear they did not and therefore they violated the command of our Lord to treat others how you want to be treated
Candy - were you in the Army?
At times, it seems you are a slave to Uncle Sam!
 

canadyjd

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Well, Paul did tell a slave to go back to his master.....

Candy - were you in the Army?
At times, it seems you are a slave to Uncle Sam!
Paul sent a letter to that master and instructed him to treat the slave as a brother in Christ and the he (Paul) expected him to do even more (free the man)

I was in the Army. It is just inappropriate to compare voluntary military service with protections under the uniform code of military justice to slavery which had no protections.

Thanks for the info about it being illegal to free slaves in GA.

The question remains, what slave owner ever volunteered to be treated the same way his slaves were treated?

peace to you
 

percho

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He sexually assaulted and raped women.

I completely disagree with you that the biggest dirtbsgs are the best presidents. That may be the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

peace to you

That may be the stupidest thing I have ever heard.


It made my top three. :)
 

canadyjd

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Clinton said, “There is a limit to how many migrants any society can take without severe disruption and assistance, and our system is based much more on an assumption that things would be more normal.”

I agree with that.
It was absolute double speak. No specifics of “how many”. No condemnation of current policy. No solutions offered. Just a broad acknowledgment that something appears to be wrong and then blame repubs.

He might as well have said “I really believe water is wet”.

peace to you
 
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