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Do you believe in disciplining children

jshurley04

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If you took that attitude with my kids they would be running you over within a few days. My kids are still a work in progress.

My son has made incredible strides in the last year, but he still gets spankings for the automatics that we have outlined to him (we are not a ignorant as you seem to think that we are). My son knows what the limits are and generally sticks to them. When he is away for a while from our direct parenting, we see how much he allows to loose. My son knows the limits and when he crosses the limit, he receives the appropriate discipline.
 
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Roguelet

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Scripture references discipline and not beating our children or even to spank them. We as parents are to endeavor to make spanking the last resort.
Not so...........

2 Sam 7:14 I WILL BE HIS FATHER. AND HE SHALL BE MY SON. IF HE COMMIT INIQUITY, I WILL CHASTEN HIM WITH THE ROD OF MEN, AND WITH THE STRIPS OF THE CHILDREN OF MEN.

Prov. 13:24 HE THAT SPARETH HIS ROD HATESTH HIS SON: BUT HE THAT LOVESTH HIM CHASTENS HIM BETIMES

Prov 22:15 FOOLISHNESS IS BOUND IN THE HEART OF A CHILD; BUT THE ROD OF CORRECTION SHALL DRIVE IT FAR FROM HIM.

Prov 23:13-14 WITHHOLD NOT CORRECTION FROM THE CHILD: FOR IF THOU BEATEST HIM WITH THE ROD ( no other instrument ) HE SHALL NOT DIE. THOU SHALT BEAT HIM WITH THE ROD AND SHALT DELIVER HIS SOUL FROM HELL.

Prov. 29:15 THE ROD AND REPROOF GIVE WISDOM:BUT A CHILD LEFT TO HIMSELF BRINGETH HIS MOTHER TO SHAME.
 
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Roguelet

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If you took that attitude with my kids they would be running you over within a few days. My kids are still a work in progress.
Not so my kids were trained at a very early age even before a year old. So I didn't have kids that ran all over me. It is when parents do not train properly that they have problems.

I had very strong willed kids, they all crawled and walked very early and a few almost hyper. But consistant firm loving training worked.

You can't wait till they are teenagers or even 10 to start deciding they need help now. it starts in infancy till they leave.
 
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Roguelet

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Best BOOK I have ever read on the subject which saved me from being a bad parent ( and believe me I am not perfect, and my husband tends to be the softy ) Is called

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS ABOUT CHILD TRAINING
Richard Fugate

Deals with all aspects of child rearing from infancy, middle years, teenager, rebellion, effects of negative traing and possitive training. the book uses Lot of scripture to back up most everything. The Bible had more than I thought it did on the subject. I'll see if I can find a link. the arthor says it is never to late to start training just easier if it is early.

heres one

http://www.childrensbibleclub.com/adults/childtraining.htm

heres another

http://www.christian-parents.net/Children/C105_Best_Books.htm

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TexasSky

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Just because you use a different form of discipline doesn't mean the others are not disciplining.

The bible also says, "And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord."

Ephesians 6:4

Many people do not know the difference in discipline and in beating a child in anger. There is a huge difference.
 

bapmom

New Member
The main problem Ive seen in this area, among those who are trying to discipline correctly, is parents not talking to their child during and after the disciplining. We've made it a general rule to not ever just send them to their room and have them wait for awhile. This might happen if we need to calm down for a minute or two. But we always tell them why they will be getting a spanking, give it to them, then talk about what they could or should have done differently. I try to end in having them pray or me praying with them, especially if its a serious offense. Then always tell them "I love you" at the end. They need to hear it.

Ive also found that while they are young they need MORE spankings, not less. If you do it right when they are younger, than the older they get the less they will need one.
 

Thankful

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This discussion always makes me sad.

Yes, I believe in disciplining children, but I do not believe that disciplining has to be spanking or hitting a child.

It definitely depends upon the child. I have seen children that were spanked several times a day. It didn't do any good. I have seen children yelled at. It didn't do any good.

Children like to please and when they learn what pleases their parents then they usually behave.

Children like attention and if the only way that they can get it is to misbehave, then they will.

Scarlett and TexasSky
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Love those children. They need to respect their parents, nor fear them.


For parents, if your method of discipline is not getting the results that you expect, then something is wrong with your method.

Another thought: Maybe we should define discipline. I like to think of it as methods to teach a child right and wrong. It doesn't always take a spanking. Many times just setting an example is enough for your child.
 

menageriekeeper

Active Member
What to do when the child won't stay in time out.

I had one of those kids! He was rarely spanked either as most of the time spanking only made matters worse.

So what to do? Get creative!

If Son was throwing a temper tantrum, I sat him on my lap gently holding his arms and legs so that he couldn't hurt himself or me, and let him scream it out. Usually didn't take more than a minute because Son really was hyperactive and COULDN'T be still for long(which is why he didn't stay in timeout). Then came the discussion of why fits weren't going to have the desired effect. At 1, it was simply "NO FITS!". As he got older he learned that no meant no in spite of his fit.

The second thing that worked was simply sending him to his room. Son hated to be separated from the group(still does) so sending him to his room gets his attention without requiring him to sit still while he thinks about his crime.

Stealing? Oh my goodness, Son gets the prize here too. If something went missing, guess who had it? When we(family and teachers) quit making a big deal of it and simply asked him if he had seen it, the object was returned willingly. If we did make a big deal of it he was less willing to be honest and say that yes he had it. This went on from PreK all the way to about 2nd grade. Now he is in 5th grade and is embarrassed when reminded of all those things he squirrelled away in the lower grades. "But Mom, that was STEALING!".

Sometimes you have to work within your child's own understanding. When Son was young and saw something interesting unattended, he was much more likely to think that the owner simply didn't want it anymore, even if he knew who's it was. He simply didn't understand the concept of theft. This was shown by his willingness to to hand things over that he had "found" when asked. He never that I can remember, tried to hide something he took.

Parents must not excuse their children's actions, but they must do their very best to understand what motivates them. Timeouts didn't work with Son because he really was hyperactive. Poor thing used to fall over asleep in the midst of playing, no warning whatsoever. He would wake in the morning and immediately start moving and talking and not stop until he plopped over. The car for some reason calmed him and he would always fall asleep within minutes of getting in. We still laugh at all the times he would be singing a song and boom! fall asleep mid sentence.

Ugly names? If I spanked mine every time they called each other an ugly name, I'd be worn out before breakfast! What works here is, "Hey! You know better than that!". Sometimes they just aren't thinking. Plus, siblings are safe and there to be experimented on. If sister cares about what brother has called her, then he learns that his friends probably won't appreciate that name either.

Funny thing: There are times when my kids have said about a punishment, "Aw Mom, can't you just give me a spanking instead?"
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I must be doing something right.
 

NomadsWife

New Member
Originally posted by Roguelet:
There are about 6 verses dealing with the use of the rod. I guess when God said how important it was to discipline children and to use a rod he didn't mean what he said and he doesn't know what he is talking about.

The problem most parents have is they are not using the proper instrument when they spank and they are not consistant.

The bible uses the rod ( a long thin tool which causes a sting ) for 2 reasons one it isn't personal like your hand and you only need a few strokes unlike a wooden spoon or paddle, which never work since there is NO STING or PAIN. The ROD is very effective or a switch of some sort. I use to use a tree steam, long and thin when they were real little. as they get older you find they don't need spankings as much if they have learned first time obedience. But then you can deal with taking away privledges.

You cannot reason with children at a very young age and you shouldn't have to. I believe and i would hope most agree that any willful disobedence deserves a spanking. When I asked my kids NOT to do something and they didn't do it that is willful disobedience, or if I asked them to DO something and they didn't that too is willful disobedience. those were the only times that deserve a spanking.

another problem parents have is they make threats without following through, they spank out of anger, they are not consistant. They do not show love after discipline. Most parents never set boundries and follow through if they do. The child becomes the authority in the home and not the parents.
The rod sounds a lot like that willow switch my mom and grandma used to use...lol OUCH! That was the one thing I went out of my way to avoid. The belt... no big deal. But that switch... KEEP IT AWAY FROM ME! lol
 

Gold Dragon

Well-Known Member
Originally posted by menageriekeeper:
Funny thing: There are times when my kids have said about a punishment, "Aw Mom, can't you just give me a spanking instead?"
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I must be doing something right.
Love it! Not a parent yet but I too hope my kids prefer spankings over the discipline I give them.


I have no problem with spanking or corporal punishment and plan to use it. But I consider it an inferior and uncreative form of discipline, maybe because pain avoidance has never been a big motivator for me. I was a pretty good kid growing up so my parents rarely needed to use corporal punishment after the age of 3. Raising their voice usually did the trick.
 
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TexasSky

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I know that some good Christians spank their children, and that they do it properly. Meaning -

1) They set out clear rules, explained those rules to the children, and explained what the consquences to violating the rule would be.
2) They explained before they spanked, what rule was violated - AND they allowed the child the opportunity to defend/explain.
3) They had a set limit. As in - If the offense called for 3 licks with a paddle that was IT.
4) They never hit a child while they were angry and they never lost control
5) They looked for more effective, and less violent ways to discipline and used it only as a last resort for the most serious of offenses.

I grew up with a parent who spanked, as did most of my friends. I noticed certain things.

1) The few times my mother actually spanked me that I remember - she was wrong. (GASP). She once accused me of lying to her over who caused a major disaster in the house. I had not lied to her. The guilty party was an experienced liar though, and convinced Mother I did it, and that I had lied about it. Once she accused me of stealing something because she hadn't given me money to buy anything, and she assumed the only way I could have it was to have stolen it. I tried and tried to truthfully tell her that I had been given the item by the woman who owned the store (a family friend). She didn't believe me, spanked me, marched me up to apologize, and then the store owner told her that I had told her the truth.
2) She apologized to me, but... well, folks - - - my mother died in 1979, and I STILL remember those two times as the only negative memories I have of my mother.

I have many friends who grew up in that "era" of spanking. They talk about how it became a "test of will" to see which gave out first - Dad's arm or their rear. Some talk about their parents with almost hatred.

Right now my daughter's friend - a Baptist minister's son - has announced that he will never return to his father's home - except for the eventual funeral. He says, "I remember being beaten for things I did, things I didn't do, times he thought I had an attitude when it was him being in a bad mood and assuming everyone has one. I don't remember love. I don't remember support. I don't remember encouragement. I have no reason to go home." His sisters are the same way. They remember the beatings, but they don't remember love.

However - I'm sure if you ask the father, he'll say he only beat them out of love.

Consider - before you hit a child. How would YOU react if that was your boss' first response to an error at work?

If you are angry when you spank - you are NOT disciplining - you are abusing.

If you hit harder and more often because you didn't get the emotional reaction you wanted from the child - you are NOT disciplining - you are abusing.

What are you teaching your child at the moment you spank? To not behave that way again? Or to fear you? That violence solves problems and makes people comply?

Are your rules reasonable? Are you teaching a child the way to go in the world? Or are you just trying to prove to yourself that you're in control?

When you're old, feeble, and NOT in control? How do you want your child to discipline you?
 

AresMan

Active Member
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I think spanking is necessary, but yelling is not. A child should be able to see his parents in a cool and calm manner, and a simple glare should instill a healthy respect in the child knowing that that stare of control and authority means painful consequences. Yet the child learns that the parents do love him because discipline is never exercised in a fit of rage. To a young child, shouting equals hate. Shouting also doesn't show authoritative control. If you speak in a gentle, calm manner, yet use painful discipline when necessary, and never shout, the child knows that you are always in complete control.
 

canadyjd

Well-Known Member
Yes, but I see no connection between the issue of disciplining your children and whether Christians should support the death penalty.
 

Johnv

New Member
We should give to God out of our first fruits. We should spank only as a last resort. Yet we so often give to God out of our last fruits, and spank as a first resport. And then we blame secular society for our problems? Whassupwiddat???
 

Emily25069

New Member
John

where does it say in the bible that it should be a last resort?


I do see that the parents who use it as a first resort, with full control, and in full love have the best behaved children.. at least it seems to me anyways.
 

Bunyon

New Member
Why do people assume that someone who uses biblical spanking needs so much lecturing. You are preaching to the chior- I hope. It is a last resort, but according to the bible it is an indispensable last resort.
 

Petrel

New Member
Originally posted by Roguelet:
The bible uses the rod ( a long thin tool which causes a sting ) for 2 reasons one it isn't personal like your hand and you only need a few strokes unlike a wooden spoon or paddle, which never work since there is NO STING or PAIN.
This comes as news to me!

I agree with Thankful. I don't think switching the kid ought to be the automatic reaction to every infringement of the rules. I really think that with me after a certain time spanking was counter-productive--it just made me mad. I actually felt worse if my parents talked to me and told me how they were disappointed in me than I did if I just got spanked.

As a side note, I have a friend whose parents were very strict--he got whipped with a belt for what seems like every little thing to me. I think it was counterproductive with him too, because he told me that it just made him angry and actually made him hate his parents for a while. Because his relationship with them was so bad he started completely disrespecting them, stealing money from his mom's purse, and the like. Things are better now that he is older, but he still feels a lot of resentment towards them at times.

Discretion is important!
 
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Roguelet

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Texassky I said that one should never discipline in anger. please reread my post.

Bapmom I also said it was important to talk to children warning them about the rules before discipline and to talk to them after the have been disciplined Please reread my post.

Thankful I guess Gods word is wrong and we need to throw this area of scripture OUT !

I can go on and on about all your examples all of which are good points and all of which are thoroughly delt with in the book I mentioned. Like I said the problem is the WAY parents discipline if you combine all the scriptures that deal with this subject, which include not exasperating your children to wrath, using the proper TOOL the ROD (thin stick). and talking before and after, showing love, setting boundries and inforsing them, being consistant. Then you should do fine in raising a well behaved child who respects authority.

Funny how people can do this when TRAINING animals especially dogs but they can't do it with their own children !

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Roguelet

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I think spanking is necessary, but yelling is not. A child should be able to see his parents in a cool and calm manner, and a simple glare should instill a healthy respect in the child knowing that that stare of control and authority means painful consequences. Yet the child learns that the parents do love him because discipline is never exercised in a fit of rage. To a young child, shouting equals hate. Shouting also doesn't show authoritative control. If you speak in a gentle, calm manner, yet use painful discipline when necessary, and never shout, the child knows that you are always in complete control.
Very good point
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