TaliOrlando
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Do you believe in the Rapture and Why? Why not?
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trustitl said:I believe Jesus will return one more time and take those that are His because that is what I understand the scriptures to be saying.
TaliOrlando said:God Bless!! I hope you are your family is doing awesome. Trustitl, I have a question. What do you make of 1 Corinthians 15:50-54 "Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed - in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed" (1 Corinthians 15:51-52).
Thanks Trusltl,trustitl said:My family is doing way better than it deserves. Praise God! Thanks and I hope the same goes for you and yours.
I Cor. 15 is talking about the resurrection and what happens to us when we die. SOme were preaching that there was no resurrection to which Paul says the whole gospel is worthless if there is none.
After saying that this corrputible must put on incorruption he explains why: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. How will that happen? All I know is what the BIble says. Those that died will be raised in an incorrutible state while those still living will be changed. And all this "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye". That blows me away.
When will it happen? At the last trumpet sounding. And those who have not died will never feel its sting.
Why do I think that this "rapture" is the end?
"Christ is the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power"
Depends what you mean by the Rapture. If you are using it just to mean that Christ, at His Second Coming, will take Christians to be with Himself, then yes, I do believe it. I Thessalonians 4.16-17:TaliOrlando said:Do you believe in the Rapture and Why? Why not?
Thanks, David. I never heard of the secret rapture term before, but what you said helps.David Lamb said:Depends what you mean by the Rapture. If you are using it just to mean that Christ, at His Second Coming, will take Christians to be with Himself, then yes, I do believe it. I Thessalonians 4.16-17:
16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.But if you mean what is sometimes called the "Secret Rapture", the idea that Christ will return once secretly to take His people to be with Him, then appear again seven years later publicly in judgment, I don't believe that. The words "shout", "voice of an archangel" and "trumpet" do not indicate secrecy.
David Lamb said:Depends what you mean by the Rapture. If you are using it just to mean that Christ, at His Second Coming, will take Christians to be with Himself, then yes, I do believe it. I Thessalonians 4.16-17:
16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.But if you mean what is sometimes called the "Secret Rapture", the idea that Christ will return once secretly to take His people to be with Him, then appear again seven years later publicly in judgment, I don't believe that. The words "shout", "voice of an archangel" and "trumpet" do not indicate secrecy.
Amen, Brother Samuel Owen -- Preach it!Samuel Owen said:Here is why! I don't believe in the Secret Rapture doctrine. On top of the verses that have already been mentioned, that the Lord will descend with a shout, "not very secret".
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Samuel Owen said:As I said earlier, I don't subscribe to the pre-trib rapture doctrine. Only if you do! can you make these saints differ from the Church.