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Do you believe that there has been millions and millions of years?

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Marcia

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Thinkingstuff said:
The atheist would put them both in the same catagory. Both versions including the quote you have there do not claim to be myth within the document regarding itself. God calls man earth that sounds "myth" like too. Just because one is more concise doesn't equate with more truth. The Athiest would probably say that they both sound fantastical. In fact, they would probably think from a literary standpoint that the bible does pack a lot with less it doesn't grab the imagination as much as the Enuma Elish. A literary look might choose the Enuma because its more entertaining.

I looked at Genesis and the Enumma Elish as an unbeliever would -- recalling how I viewed the Bible before I was saved. I think even then, I would have seen a difference. I did not believe Genesis nor called the creation account factual, but if someone had asked me if it belonged in the same category as the E. Elish, I would have said "no." The E. Elish has a different style and is way over the top compared to Genesis 1.

I was a Lit major and there are differences in the accounts.
 

Thinkingstuff

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Marcia said:
I looked at Genesis and the Enumma Elish as an unbeliever would -- recalling how I viewed the Bible before I was saved. I think even then, I would have seen a difference. I did not believe Genesis nor called the creation account factual, but if someone had asked me if it belonged in the same category as the E. Elish, I would have said "no." The E. Elish has a different style and is way over the top compared to Genesis 1.

I was a Lit major and there are differences in the accounts.

Well, I can't argue with an English Lit person. Even one who said Be Blessed to everyone or harm none! :laugh: I was an Accounting Major with a minor emphasis in bible. Still admit the truth! You would have been more interested in the Enuma Elish. More interesting right?
 

Me4Him

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Marcia said:
I think you're confusing the world with literature and Biblical prophecy. Some things in the Bible are used as symbols, but only when the context indicates that, and then the Bible usually explains it elsewhere, or a consistent use of that symbol gives a meaning.

I think I said, "depending on context".

The actual physical sun and moon themselves are not symbols (unless you happen to be an astrologer), but they are used as symbols at times in the Bible, such as the case of Jacob's dream and in Revelation.

According to the chronology given in scripture, the "light of the world" (Sun of righteousness/Jesus) came into the world on the "Fourth day", same as the natural sun.

Like Moses's passover lamb, Jesus was chosen held back 4 days/crucified in the evening. (10th-14th)

Jesus deliberately waited until the "Fourth day" before resurrecting Lazarus, even wonder "WHY"???

The Moon/Stars, (assemble of God's people/Children of God) was created in the same day Jesus paid the wages of sin, not before.

Most times in the Bible, they are just literal and have no symbolic meaning, such as here:
He came to a certain place and spent the night there, because the sun had set; and he took one of the stones of the place and put it under his head, and lay down in that place. Gen. 28:11

And where he lay, is where the temple was build,

Did you ever see a diagram of a man lying down and an overhead view of the temple, it's the same form of a man, body/arms/fingers/legs/feet,

the head being the "Holy of Holies",

Resting on a "ROCK". (stone)

1Co 10:4 and that Rock was Christ.

There's more symbolism in scripture than you realize.
 

Revmitchell

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Me4Him said:
I think I said, "depending on context".



According to the chronology given in scripture, the "light of the world" (Sun of righteousness/Jesus) came into the world on the "Fourth day", same as the natural sun.

Like Moses's passover lamb, Jesus was chosen held back 4 days/crucified in the evening. (10th-14th)

Jesus deliberately waited until the "Fourth day" before resurrecting Lazarus, even wonder "WHY"???

The Moon/Stars, (assemble of God's people/Children of God) was created in the same day Jesus paid the wages of sin, not before.



And where he lay, is where the temple was build,

Did you ever see a diagram of a man lying down and an overhead view of the temple, it's the same form of a man, body/arms/fingers/legs/feet,

the head being the "Holy of Holies",

Resting on a "ROCK". (stone)

1Co 10:4 and that Rock was Christ.

There's more symbolism in scripture than you realize.


Does anyone know, is this guy serious?
 

ajg1959

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Revmitchell said:
Does anyone know, is this guy serious?


It amazes me that most people look to the Bible for some type of code or secret meaning.

And the same people usually scoff at me for taking the bible literally.

AJ
 

Marcia

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Me4Him said:
I think I said, "depending on context".



According to the chronology given in scripture, the "light of the world" (Sun of righteousness/Jesus) came into the world on the "Fourth day", same as the natural sun.

Like Moses's passover lamb, Jesus was chosen held back 4 days/crucified in the evening. (10th-14th)

Jesus deliberately waited until the "Fourth day" before resurrecting Lazarus, even wonder "WHY"???

The Moon/Stars, (assemble of God's people/Children of God) was created in the same day Jesus paid the wages of sin, not before.



And where he lay, is where the temple was build,

Did you ever see a diagram of a man lying down and an overhead view of the temple, it's the same form of a man, body/arms/fingers/legs/feet,

the head being the "Holy of Holies",

Resting on a "ROCK". (stone)

1Co 10:4 and that Rock was Christ.

There's more symbolism in scripture than you realize.

I'm sorry but I think you are reading things into scripture that are not there. There is no correlation between the sun being created the 4th day and Jesus raising Lazarus after 3 days. Many Jews believed that the soul hovered near the dead body for 3 days (this was a superstition, not a biblical belief), so Jesus raising Lazarus at that point showed he could really raise the dead.

If you look for symbols in everything, you will find them but that does not mean they are supposed to be there.
 

Anthony

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ajg1959 said:
It amazes me that most people look to the Bible for some type of code or secret meaning.

>>seeking in the Forbidden Country

And the same people usually scoff at me for taking the bible literally.

>>I prefer "seriously" to literally - to unbelievers literally means "suspension of belief" - if by literal you mean "read once" then they are right

AJ
there is no way to read God's words to Job once and understand it, but you have to remain grounded or you drift off into mysticism
God bless
 
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Anthony

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Me4Him said:
http://daysofgod.com

The DVD is no longer available.

to glimpse the will of God in prayer and scripture is one of the rewards of the faithful servant, but you have to remain humble and seek the good fruit of a teaching (discernment) or there is the danger of self exaltation (something I watch out for in myself!)
- like yelping and howling and letting serpents bite you
we must be fools for Christ but not madmen
God bless
 
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annsni

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Me4Him said:
http://daysofgod.com

The DVD is no longer available.

That was quite ridiculous to read.

BTW, why does he write "SPIRIT" in quotes? Is the Holy Spirit not a person? Is He something to place in quotes? The guy's pretty nutty from what I can see. Just because it's on the internet doesn't make it so.
 

Me4Him

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annsni said:
That was quite ridiculous to read.

BTW, why does he write "SPIRIT" in quotes? Is the Holy Spirit not a person?

The website is "MINE",

Spirit in quotations means it wasn't collected from any other source.



The guy's pretty nutty from what I can see. Just because it's on the internet doesn't make it so.

Many people view the Bible as being "Nutty", but that's because they don't understand it.

People chose what they want to believe, and resist what they chose not to believe,

Having a "personal preference" creates a "Resistance" wherein the Spirit won't attempt to teach,

"Beliefs" aren't going to change the scriptures, the only option man has is put personal preferences out of the way and be "HUMBLE" enough to allow the "SPIRIT" to teach him,

Yes, I know, everybody says they are following the spirit, but the spirit doesn't teach different beliefs/doctrines,

Such as "Pre trib", "Mid trib", "Post trib" Rapture, so only 1/3 is actually being "truthful".

Like Israel, man is closing his eyes/ears off to God, between the "Falling away" and "formal education", man doesn't need God to teach his word.
 

Marcia

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Thinkingstuff said:
Well, I can't argue with an English Lit person.

Well, I'm glad to hear that! :tongue3:

Even one who said Be Blessed to everyone or harm none! :laugh: I was an Accounting Major with a minor emphasis in bible. Still admit the truth! You would have been more interested in the Enuma Elish. More interesting right?

Maybe more interesting from the viewpoint of an ubeliever, yes, but also more unbelievable. IOW, I would not have believed it even as an unbeliever.

Of course, at the time, I did tend to believe the Eastern "myths" of creation which are essentially variations on the Gnostic creation tales.
 

saturneptune

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annsni said:
That was quite ridiculous to read.

BTW, why does he write "SPIRIT" in quotes? Is the Holy Spirit not a person? Is He something to place in quotes? The guy's pretty nutty from what I can see. Just because it's on the internet doesn't make it so.
The only reason Ann is supporting the 6 day/24 hour creation is she does not want to admit her age. However, I have a picture of one of her pets from earlier years..



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annsni

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saturneptune said:
The only reason Ann is supporting the 6 day/24 hour creation is she does not want to admit her age. However, I have a picture of one of her pets from earlier years..



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GASP!!! You promised you wouldn't tell!!!!!

Ahhh - poor Fido. He was such a good boy.
 

gb93433

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Me4Him said:
The Moon/Stars, (assemble of God's people/Children of God) was created in the same day Jesus paid the wages of sin, not before.
Are you saying that Jesus died on the same day the moon and stars were created? Then rose a few thousand years later?
 

Anthony

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millions and millions of years

some believe it was a 24 hour day
some believe a thousand year day - yet there is that day that wasn't limited to 24 hours
I could posit that a day means "a work", and each of the six is indeed a separate work

From my science studies I recall that the earliest known life was an organism that appears to have existed for one purpose or "work". If it was the first of its kind then it lived entirely on inorganic food, and this one appears to have done that. The evidence is that it filtered dissolved inorganic elements from seawater for food, one of which was dissolved iron.
It excreted the undigestible iron which then settled on the sea floors as an oxide - since there was little oxygen in the atmosphere at that time there is no other way iron oxide (rust) could have formed.
This sediment became the beds of iron ore we harvest from the earth today.

Once this dissolved iron was cleared from the seas the organism went dormant - where it once loaded the seas it now exists only in tiny colonies, and appears more like a rock than a living organism. Looks like it did its assigned job and retired from active duty.
Work completed.

Next came organisms that more closely resemble living things. These also live on inorganic food - mainly carbon dioxide - and excrete oxygen - which we couldn't live without, and what had been a dead world changed drastically.

The seas merrily teemed with these new creatures, happily feeding on the dead matter of the elements, but a new factor was introduced.
Creatures that couldn't live off inorganic food, they fed off other creatures.
Then other creatures that fed off those creatures.
Until there were large horrid things resembling armored scorpions that hunted the deep.
They hunted their prey to extinction then starved off.
Yet this cycle continued - even onto the land.
There was no "terror" in the seas when it teemed with harmless creatures that fed off dissolved inorganic material.
Yet something always came later (like Ann's puppy) that made the world a scarier place.

Evil? Strictly speaking no. It was a mindless cycle of eat-and-be-eaten, a world of instinct, not thought or sentience.
A world of the meek being preyed on by the carnal - as in "carne" or meat.

The world of the mindless animal, the Jungle. The Natural or Carnal World.

Then came a new change, and it was no longer mindless. Along came Knowledge of Good and Evil - intelligence, sentience - Thought. Yet it was still the Jungle.

Bear in mind that this is the Scientific Genesis here.

What had been a small harmless creature feeding off plants, and being fed on by Carn-ivores. In time it became a carnivore as well, and moved out of Eden.

The Greatest Carnivore of all, equipped with deadly intelligence.

The change continued, but appeared to go two ways.
One of the species actually used its intelligence to become a kind carnivore, taking the time to give its prey a painless, as close to possible pleasant death.

Another took a different route.
It actually preyed on its own kind - killing and eating them.
At their apex this subspecies had great temples, where thousands of their own kind were put to a cruel, horrifying death - to feed a supernatural predator.
Carnal Religion, predatory worship.

It's plain as day to me.
The Battle, and between who; the works done, and the attempt to undo them.
It's also plain which version of the written Story of it all came first - and to men who knew nothing but the most rudimentary Science.
As opposed to the 20/20 hindsight version.
And from whom, which.
To whom, for what purpose.

You can argue about what a Day is, but whatever version you use, the Story remains the same - and it is obvious which version is the story of the Will of God.
And God's Work.

God bless
 
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annsni

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Anthony said:
millions and millions of years

some believe it was a 24 hour day
some believe a thousand year day - yet there is that day that wasn't limited to 24 hours
I could posit that a day means "a work", and each of the six is indeed a separate work

From my science studies I recall that the earliest known life was an organism that appears to have existed for one purpose or "work". If it was the first of its kind then it lived entirely on inorganic food, and this one appears to have done that. The evidence is that it filtered dissolved inorganic elements from seawater for food, one of which was dissolved iron.
It excreted the undigestible iron which then settled on the sea floors as an oxide - since there was little oxygen in the atmosphere at that time there is no other way iron oxide (rust) could have formed.
This sediment became the beds of iron ore we harvest from the earth today.

Once this dissolved iron was cleared from the seas the organism went dormant - where it once loaded the seas it now exists only in tiny colonies, and appears more like a rock than a living organism. Looks like it did its assigned job and retired from active duty.
Work completed.

Next came organisms that more closely resemble living things. These also live on inorganic food - mainly carbon dioxide - and excrete oxygen - which we couldn't live without, and what had been a dead world changed drastically.

The seas merrily teemed with these new creatures, happily feeding on the dead matter of the elements, but a new factor was introduced.
Creatures that couldn't live off inorganic food, they fed off other creatures.
Then other creatures that fed off those creatures.
Until there were large horrid things resembling armored scorpions that hunted the deep.
They hunted their prey to extinction then starved off.
Yet this cycle continued - even onto the land.
There was no "terror" in the seas when it teemed with harmless creatures that fed off dissolved inorganic material.
Yet something always came later (like Ann's puppy) that made the world a scarier place.

Evil? Strictly speaking no. It was a mindless cycle of eat-and-be-eaten, a world of instinct, not thought or sentience.
A world of the meek being preyed on by the carnal - as in "carne" or meat.

The world of the mindless animal, the Jungle. The Natural or Carnal World.

Then came a new change, and it was no longer mindless. Along came Knowledge of Good and Evil - intelligence, sentience - Thought. Yet it was still the Jungle.

Bear in mind that this is the Scientific Genesis here.

What had been a small harmless creature feeding off plants, and being fed on by Carn-ivores. In time it became a carnivore as well, and moved out of Eden.

The Greatest Carnivore of all, equipped with deadly intelligence.

The change continued, but appeared to go two ways.
One of the species actually used its intelligence to become a kind carnivore, taking the time to give its prey a painless, as close to possible pleasant death.

Another took a different route.
It actually preyed on its own kind - killing and eating them.
At their apex this subspecies had great temples, where thousands of their own kind were put to a cruel, horrifying death - to feed a supernatural predator.
Carnal Religion, predatory worship.

It's plain as day to me.
The Battle, and between who; the works done, and the attempt to undo them.
It's also plain which version of the written Story of it all came first - and to men who knew nothing but the most rudimentary Science.
As opposed to the 20/20 hindsight version.
And from whom, which.
To whom, for what purpose.

You can argue about what a Day is, but whatever version you use, the Story remains the same - and it is obvious which version is the story of the Will of God.
And God's Work.

God bless

And this fits in with the truth of the Word of God HOW????????

Sorry - I'll stick with God rather than stories.
 

Anthony

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Since I believe God made the day stand still for Joshua I have no doubt he could have made a day stand still for a thousand years
how long was that day?

or a million
or millions of millions
that's why I see no point in arguing about it - God gave me my answer in the Bible

I have no doubt God can make a second into a thousand years - or eternity into a single day

God bless
 

annsni

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Anthony said:
Since I believe God made the day stand still for Joshua I have no doubt he could have made a day stand still for a thousand years
how long was that day?

or a million
or millions of millions

Oh, God absolutely could have done any of that.

that's why I see no point in arguing about it - God gave me my answer in the Bible

That is correct. God told us numerous times that the world as we know it was made in 6 days.

I have no doubt God can make a second into a thousand years - or eternity into a single day

God bless

Amen. God absolutely can. No question about it. But He didn't when it came to creation.
 
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