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Do you listen to preachers from other denominations?

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    Y1,
    My fundamental beliefs are Baptist-Calvinist. I also agree with sisters like vanessa12.
    Do you remember her?
    Now, this is a forum for all denominations. (For all Christians).
    I do listen to Baptists who teach that the gifts of the Spirit are for believers today.
    I know the local preachers. I respect them and believe they are sound biblically.

    I have read books by Beth Moore and Derrick Prince. I have experienced healings in
    both ears. I pray for others at healing meetings.

    vanessa12 was treated with great hostility and without any Christian love.
    She is no cultist and not demon possessed.

    Are there others who agree that the gifts are for today?
     
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    I am not addressing those who would hold to sign gifts as say the AOG do, but do see Word of faith/Dominion/Name it and claim it as heresy, and do see modern day Apostles/prophets are not per Bible!
     
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    I'm old school!... Those brethren that want to believe in the healing gifts, they are free to, I personally don't but as I say to each his own... Preachers?... I listen to the sermons and read the writings of The Primitive Baptist Elders, in fact a good friend of mine in Southern California whose been preaching over 60 years I go to his church website frequently... Love to read sermons and writings of the Old Theologians... Bunyan, Philpot, Spurgeon, Gurnall, Gill and Edwards just to name a few... Then there are the Ancient Ones... Josephus, Eusebius, and Irenaeus... And of course the Apostles and Prophets... Brother Glen:)
     
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    Thank you for recognizing that regarding her.

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    Martyn Lloyd-Jones

    Joy Unspeakable (1984)

    Power and Renewal in the Holy Spirit

    “magisterial and challenging” –J.I. Packer

    Part of the Foreword, by Peter Lewis, page 9:

    Dr Lloyd-Jones’ loyalty to Scripture, his sense of history, his breadth of reading and his powerful humility before the things of God led him to welcome (though not uncritically) many aspects of the rising charismatic movement and to see its fundamental compatibility with historic evangelicalism, including the reformed tradition in which he stood. (emphasis mine)

    Part of the Introduction, by Christopher Catherwood, p13:

    The sermons, as Peter Lewis’s Foreword shows, demonstrate my grandfather’s ability to achieve a biblical balance. He believed passionately in the baptism with the Holy Spirit as a distinct, post-conversion experience. But he equally realized that it was a filling with power that made those who had received it into better witnesses for Christ. His indeed was a Christ-centered message, emphasizing that a deeper knowledge of and relationship with Jesus Christ was at the heart of the baptism of the Spirit.

    Similarly, as will be made plain from [the] sermons on the gifts of the Spirit, while he believed that all the gifts existed today, he refused to hold, on the basis of Scripture, that any one gift was necessary as proof of baptism with the Spirit. (emphasis mine)

    He was quite consistent with his views of the Sovereignty of God when he maintained that we cannot induce baptism with the Spirit—it is something that can be given by God alone. He was thus both reformed and charismatic, in the biblical senses of the terms. (emphasis mine)
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    I would not agree with Jones on those points. In fact, I would not agree down the line with any of the men I've listed.
     
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    He would not be so charitable towards WoF and the fake faith healers and false prophets and apostles in charasmatic chaos though!
     
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    God has gifted female teachers, bit not pastors.
     
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    Do they remain your "favorite preachers"?

    If so, why?
     
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    NOT the same office here, 2 separate ones in mind.
     
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    Do you have favorite Charismatic teachers?
     
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    You are absolutely right!
    LLoyd-Jones taught what Paul did:
    "But everything should be done in a fitting and orderly way. (1 Cor 14:40)
    And, that all of the gifts should point others to Christ and edify the body.

    The goal of Spirit baptism and the exercise of the gifts is not only to
    glorify God, but to manifest true holiness in believers.

    I can't stress this enough: the Spirit is Holy; and while I believe no one
    can lose their salvation, they can lose their assurance; and the Holy
    Spirit can withdraw His gifts temporarily or permanently based on
    how one responds to sin.
     
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    Are all christians baptized in the Holy Spirit, or just those who speak in tongues and have sign gifts operating?
     
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    Yes:
    Paul Yonghi Cho's son, Full Gospel Church (Largest in South Korea).
    Beth Moore (A Baptist)
    Derek Prince, "Pulling Down Strongholds," Mighty Weapons For Spiritual Warfare.
     
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    Any of them into WoF, or visualization, etc?
     
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    Not all Christians are baptized with the Holy Spirit. God has chosen and empowers. LLoyd-Jones "Sovereignty of God" in the Baptism.
     
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    Categorically NO!
     
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