Do you listen to preachers from other denominations?

[Jerome]

Could have been a teacher, but not a pastor, as per the scriptures!

This thread is about preachers. Call a woman preacher a teacher if it makes you feel better, like how a man is youth minister, but a lady doing the same thing must be called youth "director."

 

[Yeshua1]

This thread is about preachers. Call a woman preacher a teacher if it makes you feel better, like how a man is youth minister, but a lady doing the same thing must be called youth "director."

A women cannot be a minister/pastor in in head spiritual authority, nor as an Elder !

 

[Jerome]

Aren't there other threads where you can discuss your gender fixation?

a minister/pastor in in head spiritual authority

Christ is the head of the church!
Colossians 1:18

 

[thatbrian]

I have been bitten by the cold virus--bad--will come back when better!

Fell better soon!

 

[Yeshua1]

Aren't there other threads where you can discuss your gender fixation?



Christ is the head of the church!
Colossians 1:18

I thought you were trying to present some women as ministers here?

 

[Jerome]

I used the word preacher, which is what this thread is about.
I mentioned one Presbyterian preacher commended by Reformed Baptist Timothy George.

 

[Mr. Davis]

Fell better soon!

Much better now, Brian. Thanks for thinking of me!

 

[Mr. Davis]

Paul stated that all Christians were, correct?

Lloyd-Jones, op. cit., p23 (minor editing):

The Holy Spirit regenerates us. That is what the Holy Spirit does in us. But notice in the first chapter of John. The Baptist [says] that the baptism of the Holy Spirit is something that is done by the Lord Jesus Christ not by the Holy Spirit…It is the Lord Jesus Christ’s act. It is his action—something he does to us through the Spirit or his giving to us, in this particular way, of the Spirit.

Now here it seems to me is something that is there, plain and clear, on the very surface of this whole subject and yet people get confused over it and quote 1 Corinthians 12:13—‘For by one Spirit are we all baptized.’ Of course we are. Our being baptized into the body of Christ is the work of the Spirit, as regeneration is his work, but this is something entirely different; this is Christ baptizing us with the Holy Spirit.

And I am suggesting that this is something which is therefore obviously distinct from and separate from becoming a Christian, being regenerate, having the Holy Spirit dwelling within you. I am putting it like this—you can be a child of God and yet not be baptized with the Holy Spirit.

P27:

In Acts 8, ‘…when [men and women] believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized.’

From vs14, Peter and John went down to Samaria and ‘prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Spirit: (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) Then laid their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.’ The people were already true believers on the Lord Jesus Christ and him crucified as their Saviour. They had been baptized into his name because they had become believers, but they still were not baptized with the Holy Spirit. [This came with the laying on of hands.]

 

[Mr. Davis]

Mr. Davis said: ↑
Not all Christians are baptized with the Holy Spirit. God has chosen and empowers. LLoyd-Jones "Sovereignty of God" in the Baptism.

Yeshua1 said:
Paul stated that all Christians were, correct?

#79 Yeshua1, Thursday at 1:17 PM

Did you read fully my last post, #88? Do you now admit that not all Christians are baptized with the Holy Spirit?

If you disagree, please provide scripture supporting your viewpoint.

 

[Yeshua1]

Lloyd-Jones, op. cit., p23 (minor editing):

The Holy Spirit regenerates us. That is what the Holy Spirit does in us. But notice in the first chapter of John. The Baptist [says] that the baptism of the Holy Spirit is something that is done by the Lord Jesus Christ not by the Holy Spirit…It is the Lord Jesus Christ’s act. It is his action—something he does to us through the Spirit or his giving to us, in this particular way, of the Spirit.

Now here it seems to me is something that is there, plain and clear, on the very surface of this whole subject and yet people get confused over it and quote 1 Corinthians 12:13—‘For by one Spirit are we all baptized.’ Of course we are. Our being baptized into the body of Christ is the work of the Spirit, as regeneration is his work, but this is something entirely different; this is Christ baptizing us with the Holy Spirit.

And I am suggesting that this is something which is therefore obviously distinct from and separate from becoming a Christian, being regenerate, having the Holy Spirit dwelling within you. I am putting it like this—you can be a child of God and yet not be baptized with the Holy Spirit.

P27:

In Acts 8, ‘…when [men and women] believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized.’

From vs14, Peter and John went down to Samaria and ‘prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Spirit: (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) Then laid their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.’ The people were already true believers on the Lord Jesus Christ and him crucified as their Saviour. They had been baptized into his name because they had become believers, but they still were not baptized with the Holy Spirit. [This came with the laying on of hands.]

Except that all Christians are commanded to yield to the Holy Spirit, all were baptized by same Spirit, so there is no scriptures for a second blessing of Grace!

 

[Mr. Davis]

Except that all Christians are commanded to yield to the Holy Spirit, all were baptized by same Spirit, so there is no scriptures for a second blessing of Grace!

The FIRST blessing of Grace is regeneration, which ALL believers receive.

The SECOND blessing of Grace is empowerment by the Holy Spirit. NOT all believers accept this!
This is supernatural empowerment to live the Christian life and to bless others with the gifts. Many
Christians try to live the Christian life on their own.

See my OP for the scriptures that relate to each.

Why do you just state your opinion, without any Scripture to back it up??

 

[Yeshua1]

The FIRST blessing of Grace is regeneration, which ALL believers receive.

The SECOND blessing of Grace is empowerment by the Holy Spirit. NOT all believers accept this!
This is supernatural empowerment to live the Christian life and to bless others with the gifts. Many
Christians try to live the Christian life on their own.

See my OP for the scriptures that relate to each.

Why do you just state your opinion, without any Scripture to back it up??

There is NO scriptures that tells any of us to seek the second blessing, nor to seek the Baptism in Holy Spirit, as we all have partaken and drank of the same Holy Spirit!

 

[Yeshua1]

The FIRST blessing of Grace is regeneration, which ALL believers receive.

The SECOND blessing of Grace is empowerment by the Holy Spirit. NOT all believers accept this!
This is supernatural empowerment to live the Christian life and to bless others with the gifts. Many
Christians try to live the Christian life on their own.

See my OP for the scriptures that relate to each.

Why do you just state your opinion, without any Scripture to back it up??

The Holy Spirit empowers all of the saved in the same fashion though, as we are all indwelt by Him once saved, and all command to be infilled by Him!

 

[Tim71]

Lloyd-Jones, op. cit., p23 (minor editing):

The Holy Spirit regenerates us. That is what the Holy Spirit does in us. But notice in the first chapter of John. The Baptist [says] that the baptism of the Holy Spirit is something that is done by the Lord Jesus Christ not by the Holy Spirit…It is the Lord Jesus Christ’s act. It is his action—something he does to us through the Spirit or his giving to us, in this particular way, of the Spirit.

Now here it seems to me is something that is there, plain and clear, on the very surface of this whole subject and yet people get confused over it and quote 1 Corinthians 12:13—‘For by one Spirit are we all baptized.’ Of course we are. Our being baptized into the body of Christ is the work of the Spirit, as regeneration is his work, but this is something entirely different; this is Christ baptizing us with the Holy Spirit.

And I am suggesting that this is something which is therefore obviously distinct from and separate from becoming a Christian, being regenerate, having the Holy Spirit dwelling within you. I am putting it like this—you can be a child of God and yet not be baptized with the Holy Spirit.

P27:

In Acts 8, ‘…when [men and women] believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized.’

From vs14, Peter and John went down to Samaria and ‘prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Spirit: (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) Then laid their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.’ The people were already true believers on the Lord Jesus Christ and him crucified as their Saviour. They had been baptized into his name because they had become believers, but they still were not baptized with the Holy Spirit. [This came with the laying on of hands.]

Scripture never commands believers to seek a second blessing after salvation. The Apostle Paul told the Ephesians:

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ (Ephesians 1:3).

God has also made us complete in Christ:

For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power (Colossians 2:9,10).

Peter wrote:

. . . His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue (2 Peter 1:3).

But we should not take this to mean that the believer should not desire to appropriate the fullness of God's Spirit in their lives. Though all blessings have been given to each believer, we have the privilege and responsibility of applying them to our life. Jesus spoke of the power of the Holy Spirit:

He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water. But this He spoke concerning the Spirit whom those believing in Him would receive; for the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified (John 7:38-39).

 

[Yeshua1]

Scripture never commands believers to seek a second blessing after salvation. The Apostle Paul told the Ephesians:

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ (Ephesians 1:3).

God has also made us complete in Christ:

For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power (Colossians 2:9,10).

Peter wrote:

. . . His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue (2 Peter 1:3).

But we should not take this to mean that the believer should not desire to appropriate the fullness of God's Spirit in their lives. Though all blessings have been given to each believer, we have the privilege and responsibility of applying them to our life. Jesus spoke of the power of the Holy Spirit:

He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water. But this He spoke concerning the Spirit whom those believing in Him would receive; for the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified (John 7:38-39).

All have the same means to live as we ought, by relying upon the Holy Spirit, and abiding in Jesus, and that is for all, not just some who have tongues and "second blessing"

 

[Mr. Davis]

Except that all Christians are commanded to yield to the Holy Spirit, all were baptized by same Spirit, so there is no scriptures for a second blessing of Grace!

Is the filling by the Holy Spirit a second work of grace?

And, BTW, because the Greatest Gift is love, which I share with all of you, I will continue to keep my shares on this thread cordial and non-combative. (Sometimes you will give me much to think about, and then there may be a delay in my response.)

 

[Yeshua1]

Is the filling by the Holy Spirit a second work of grace?

And, BTW, because the Greatest Gift is love, which I share with all of you, I will continue to keep my shares on this thread cordial and non-combative. (Sometimes you will give me much to think about, and then there may be a delay in my response.)

No, the Infilling of the Holy Spirit is the same for all who are saved, as that is a command from God unto us to do daily. The evidence of one being Spirit filled is NOT tongues or any other sign gift, but one walking in fruit of the Spirit, and being a strong witness for Jesus in word and deeds.

 

[BobRyan]

Just a simple question, I was curious about this.

After I was Born Again, but before I went to a Protestant Church for the first time, I listened (and still do) to several different preachers. Among the more famous ones were Phil Robertson (Churches of Christ), Chuck Smith (Calvary Chapel), Leonard Ravenhill, Charles Stanley, Paul Washer, John Piper, Shane Idleman (Non-Denom Conservative Christian).

I also listen to Presbyterian, Methodist and Mennonite Preachers. Does anybody else do the same? Do you stick within your own specific circles? Just curious, I don't have family members who are Evangelicals, so I'm not sure what the "norm" is.

Chuck Swindoll in the past
Andy Stanley
R.C. Sproul in the past
D. James Kennedy - Coral Ridge -- in the past
J. Vernon McGee - through the bible - in the past
John MacArthur
Howard G. Hendricks in the past

 

[Yeshua1]

Chuck Swindoll in the past
Andy Stanley
R.C. Sproul in the past
D. James Kennedy - Coral Ridge -- in the past
J. Vernon McGee - through the bible - in the past
John MacArthur
Howard G. Hendricks in the past

NONE of them would support false SDA theology, correct?

 

[BobRyan]

NONE of them would support false SDA theology, correct?

There is no such thing as false SDA theology... I thought you knew that by now