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Luk_4:4 But Yeshua answered him, saying, “It has been written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of Elohim.’
Luk_6:5 And He said to them, “The Son of Aḏam is Master of the Sabbath.”
Its amazing how the paganized church can take one verse of a meeting and attempt to totally change and eternal command of the Father that was from Creation and written in stone. Its even more amazing gullible people fall into this easy to see trap and justify disobedience on a simple gathering one. Why are your hearts so hard? Why don't you believe?Luk_6:5 And He said to them, “The Son of Aḏam is Master of the Sabbath.”
We believe in jesus, who was the Sin bearer, and believing unto Him, we have been justified before God, which no amount of law keeping could ever do!
What is sin?
Anything that misses the mark, any thought or deed thatdisobeys God.
1Jn 3:4 Everyone doing sin also does lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.
Jesus was using that againstt those who were Gnostics though, who claimed could know about jesus, get saved, and live as they still wanted to, sowing to their flesh!
Can you show just ONE instance in the NT that Jesus did NOT <<keep the Sabbath>>, or as the early church did NOT keep the Sabbath as day of worship?
Can you show just ONE occasion in the NT where Jesus kept Sunday, as day of worship? Or as the early church kept Sunday as day of worship?
Now for every time, instance or occasion that you cannot--which is ad infinitum--, the New Testament <shows>, that is, <commands>, that Jesus kept the Sabbath and the early Church just as He, kept the Sabbath as day of worship, and that He, just as the early Church, kept the Sabbath as day of worship.
And for every time, instance or occasion that you cannot show anything, the New Testament does <show>, that is, <command>, that the NT Church shall keep no other day as day of worship than the Sabbath.
Asking what you're asking or rather, do arrogate, implies that Jesus' life was useless as an example, and his teaching is useless as commands, and above all his Resurrection from the dead "ON THE SABBATH", is useless as inspiring power unto the obedience of The Faith.
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The Church meant for worship on the first day of the week, on the Lords day, when jesus was raised! And jesus would have kept the Sabbath, as he was still under the law, and the early christians did gather in the temble, so they would have observed for awhile, but once a clean break with Judaism was done...
Especially the <<early church>> never had anything to do with Judaism so that it never can be said <<a clean break with Judaism was done>>.
<<The Church meant for worship on the first day of the week>> ... this is what I dared you to SHOW. You failed; you showed, nothing!
<<on the first day of the week, on the Lords day>> ... this is what I dared you to SHOW. You failed; you showed, nothing!
<<on the Lords day, when Jesus was raised!>> Amen! "God on the Seventh Day rested, therefore the Seventh Day is the Sabbath THE DAY OF THE LORD GOD" ... SHOWN, proven, quoted as written, word for word, letter by letter from the Word!
Improve on it, let's see.
And Jesus would have kept the Sabbath, as HE, was The Law---forever the Word that in the beginning was, that was with God and that was, GOD!
And the early Christians did gather in the temple, so they would observe the Sabbath for as long as Jesus shall be Lord of the Sabbath, and for as long as "JESUS GAVE THEM REST there for the People of God SABBATH-DAY'S-REST is being assured."
No, Jason, every Age is not one of Law.
You do realize that prior to the Covenant of Law...there was no Covenant of Law, right?
You realize before the creation of Israel, there was no Israel, right?
Consider:
Romans 5:12-14
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12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
From the time of Adam to Moses...there was no Covenant of Law.
That does not mean there was no command of God for the lives of men, there were, but, the (Covenant of) Law has to be distinguished and kept in it's proper context.
This...
...is what you want to believe.
This...
Romans 5:12-14
King James Version (KJV)
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
...is what God wants you to believe.
You do that and you will be "guarding His commandments."
The "Torah" did not create the World, my friend. It wasn't to be found until God gave it unto Moses.
There is a difference between the Word and the WORD.
One is God, and one is of God.
Agreed:
Isaiah 9:6
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6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
So tell me...did the disciples, when they scattered and abandoned the Lord...guard His commands?
When they went back to fishing, did they "abide in the True Vine?"
The answer is no, they did not. For different reasons, but still, the answer is no.
God bless.
Every age is law:
Garden was lost by breaking His command
Abraham was chosen because He kept His command
Israel was chosen to give His commands
Israel lost the land because they broke His commands
Jesus came to fill up the commands and walk them perfectly
The new covenant is one of His commands written on our hearts and minds
Always about obedience
A whore only has their eye on reward and penalty.
Here is a new concept for you, try loving God for free.
LOL, you didn't even address the issue. Will you admit your argument is weak?
What do you mean by <<the Covenant of Law>>?
If God is the Law, when and what was <<the Covenant of Law>>? If God is The Law, The Law, is God, and God, <prior to the Covenant of Law> in the Scriptures, "was"!
"THE WORD..." --The Word-Law-- "... that was with God in the beginning, in the beginning WAS God!" ... already.
Therefore, <<You do realize that prior to the Covenant of Law...there was no Covenant of Law, right?>>
NO! Wrong!!
I won't even say which kind of, is <<for free>> and has no eye on reward or penalty! A Roman Catholic!
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The New Covenant is the fulfillment of God's Promise of Redemption that begins in Genesis 3:15.
Revelation concerning the Plan of Redemption has been progressive, with every Age receiving more information, and then understanding at the Appearing of Christ.
That you would ignore the point that there is a difference, which is shown clearly in Scripture, between the Ages, and try, because of your views, to make every Age an "Age of Law...
...doesn't change the realities of the Word of God.
The best you can do with your list above is say "...every Age is an Age of disobedience." This is true.
You really need to address the Scripture, Jason. Here it is again:
Romans 5:12-14
King James Version (KJV)
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
This shows an Age prior to the Law.
It's not me you argue with, it is what God has revealed that you argue with.
You know it, I know it, and God knows it.
God bless.
I mean the Covenant of Law. Also known as the Mosaic Covenant, Moses' Law, the First Covenant, the Old Covenant, and...the Law.
God is God, and the Law is...
1. The Word of God, the Pentateuch;
2. The Word of God, the entirety of God's Revelation;
3. The Covenant established by God with Israel.
These are the Biblical uses of the "Law" as it pertains to Israel (within the context of this discussion).
It is the Covenant established by God with Israel, which was established until Christ should come.
Galatians 4:21-24
King James Version (KJV)
21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
Where did you get such an idea?
That is correct, the Eternal God has always existed.
The WORD of John 1 is not the "Word of Law," it is a term used to designate The Son of God.
It is just a Basic Bible Doctrine, Gerhard: Prior to the Covenant of Law was the Abrahamic Covenant, which Paul's tells us...
Galatians 3:15-19
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15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
...that the Covenant of Law was established because of transgressions, and that the establishing of that Covenant did not disannul the Promises of the Abrahamic Covenant, and in fact...
...all promises of God are fulfilled in the New Covenant.
This Covenant was in effect from the time it was established...
Exodus 24:7-8
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7 And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the Lord hath said will we do, and be obedient.
8 And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the Lord hath made with you concerning all these words.
...until the time the New Covenant was established...
Hebrews 10:14-18
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14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
In v.18 it is made clear that Remission of sin is complete, for those who are sanctified, not by the blood of bulls, goats, and calves, but by the Blood of Christ.
In Hebrews 10:26 those who reject the New Covenant are said to receive a greater punishment than those who rejected the Covenant of Law, and that there is no more offering of sin:
Hebrews 10:26-29
King James Version (KJV)
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Same statement, just directed at two different groups.
If we are sanctified by the Blood of Christ, there is no more offering for sin.
If we reject the Sacrifice of Christ...there is no more offering for sin.
Those who seek to be under Law again, despite the much warning given in Scripture, do precisely what the Writer warns not to do, they (v.29)...
1. Trod under foot Christ the Son of God;
2. They count the Blood (Death) by which the New Covenant was established unholy, which by implication means...
3. They count Christ unholy;
4. They reject the New Covenant;
5. They reject the Ministry of the Spirit of Grace, the Comforter, which is...
...the blasphemy of the Holy Ghost, because if one rejects God ministering to their hearts that they might be saved through Christ, they reject the only Sacrifice which can result in Eternal Redemption, hence...
there is no more offering/sacrifice for sin, which, in the context of the Book of Hebrews, refers to the Hebrew People seeking to remain under the Covenant of Law (which is apparent throughout the Book, and referred to often).
God bless.
You still misunderstand Paul's writings (as Peter says)
Being "under the law" is bein under its condemnation. That does not mean we stop doing it or we would still be under its condemnation because we would be sinning.
"Works of Law" is oral pharasic judaism. You can't be righteous by man-made religion. Only by the pure written word.
The Torah was supplanted by "The Word" Himself and His Church here on earth - most of it (the Torah) no longer applies.
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